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"Extensive efforts were also made to track down and quarantine all close contacts an infected person had seen two days before becoming ill"
Go ahead and give that one a whirl here. It's not going to fly...where as in Hong Kong, they have no choice. |
"The territory also began adjusting immigration policies. Anyone crossing the border from mainland China, as well as travelers from infected countries, were required to undergo 14 days of mandatory quarantine at home or in designated facilities"
Here, you get called a racist if you try to close the border or implement travel restrictions. Or was it a xenophobe? |
Yep, ignore social distancing and masks in public, ignore crowded public spaces, ignore contact tracing and quarantine...
Chapter 1 in "How to get your azz kicked in a pandemic" So far the US has this move down real well and our rugged individualism is rapidly putting us DFL on the world stage. |
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How exactly do you propose to isolate the infected when they cannot be identified?? |
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The Constitution isn't a death sentence. And yet, here we are.
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bizarre stuff, still arguing about this fellas? the infighting here has moved to the white house... as the bickering continues the house is burning down... "irene turn out the lights when it's finished" ...... so sad fellas.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/top-white-house-official-peter-navarro-trashes-anthony-fauci-in-op-ed/ar-BB16LYcV?li=AAggFp5 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/dr-fauci-hits-back-at-bizarre-smear-campaign-after-navarro-goes-rogue-with-op-ed-attack/ar-BB16LPv3?li=AAggNb9 |
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Shaun,
The party that understand and respects science has by far more deaths attributed to the states they control than the states controlled by the party you say doesn't respect and understand science. It's fair to fault the republican governors for reopening fully too quickly but to say they don't understand science isn't really fair. They reopened because their case numbers were low. They should have done more and that's fair to say but it was an adherence to science that allowed them to have significantly lower deaths than others states with similar population densities. |
Sigh. States with big cities and incredibly high population densities were hit first and pummeled hard before anyone knew what the virus was let alone the evolving nature of how to deal with it. Why do I even have to type that. They are travel hubs. Everyone, from all over the country, all over the world, goes to these cities. Viruses spread like wildfire there. Science evolved over 2+ months on the virus and the right course of action. Those same cities and their citizens didn't whine and mewl about "rights," they pulled together and beat back the virus like true patriots. Real American citizens worthy of the title.
While that was happening for months, other states were not adhering to new, firm scientific guidelines crowing that they don't need science to tell us how to live, we're FREE and the CONSTITUSHUN and that F'ing garbage. They wasted months in ignorance and are now paying the price. Jesus F'ing Christ, to say that FL and others adhered to science is easily the dumbest thing I've read RE: CV response. |
Texas and Florida are two of the most populated states Shaun. Florida and Texas are both travel hubs. And Florida is a vacation destination. The science behind wearing a mask hasn't evolved. A study by the NIH back in 2006 showed the effectiveness of wearing a mask to reduce the spread of a virus. The science has been there. So if one party allegedly understands and respects science, why didn't the governors of the states most affected suggest wearing masks early on?
Just stop. If you want to see how a leader does it, Mike Dewine is talking now. Stream it if you can. You call yourself an independent but your words here betray that statement. You're clearly a partisan. |
Man you just don't get it but I shouldn't be surprised by someone who thinks masks are mainly for protecting the wearer.
Hey, whatever you need to comfort yourself, have at it. Mike Dewine is one of the few who gets it. On that we can agree. Just wish the party that hates science got it too. Ohio Republicans attack Gov. Mike DeWine’s power over coronavirus response: The Wake Up for Thursday, May 7, 2020 G.O.P. Revolt in Ohio: Governor Faces Attacks From Within Over Shutdowns I can post articles all day long. But I won't as I'm going to put the Turbo tail back on my M491. |
Dude, you're clueless. I never said masks are mainly for protecting the wearer. Log off. You're embarrassing yourself.
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The science behind wearing a mask has certainly evolved. I see new studies every week and have posted a couple of them.
If you mean the bottom line - that one should wear a mask to protect yourself and others - then yes - not changed. |
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The Texas A&M study confirmed the efficiency of mask in reducing the spread. The study you linked, I had linked about a month ago. I got hammered because that study used hamsters as the test subjects. I've done a lot of reading on mask usage because I want to be as informed as I can possibly be in making a decision. |
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When did the science become a good thing?
For almost forever the science said there were two sexes and almost every single one of us was born with one or the other. That science is now bad. Now awlasudden with the ‘Rona you’re a queer dude if you disregards the science. Because that science is now good So which is it now? It looks like we’re free to choose which science we agree with. Finally, choice! |
Another interesting observation, many of the "it's my body it's my choice" crowd are now trying to mandate what people do with their body.
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I've also learned something new. It's "antisocial distancing". It's where people walk up to me and I say "get the he.. away from me. I don't want to talk to you". It seems to be working but it might be hurting my sales a bit. :D |
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The abandonment of logic and reason is on those jumping up and down about "Masks Work you effn Maroon" (or whatever) They have singular focus. "The mask" --homemade, leaky around the edges....whatever MUST be WORN! - Else you are anti-science-ah (evangelical accent) 1918 Flu. They too had people clinging to masks as a solution. Without any govt mandate they became hugely popular. Death kept coming. Everywhere. We should all be VERY happy that this virus is not a huge threat to the majority of the population. Well, for most, exposure to the virus is a non-event. Or, go door to door Caj. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594876788.JPG |
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And this is what's so annoying about average people. You can't understand and process reality that is denigrating to your point of view. Denial. It's annoying. Do this. Pull up your big boy pants and expand your mind a little. Seriously. Do it. Stop with the insipid snarky comments, they've become boring, and grow as a person. Don't settle for average. Think about adding value, not detracting from others. Thanks.SmileWavy |
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On your second piece about "rights"... Driving is a privilege. A stop sign or light stops you from using that privilege for a brief period of time. On smoking indoors, the business is forced to comply or they get a fine, not the person smoking (or that's how it works around here). A smoker can walk out the door onto a public sidewalk and smoke until their lungs explode. Not a "right" being infringed. |
Perhaps posted before. Can't remember any more. We've come a long ways baby...
https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cities/city-denver.html# "Enforcement of the mask order was another problem. Even Mayor Mills, despite going along with the proposition, did not expect widespread compliance. He was correct. The day after the mask order went into effect, only a few downtown stores were seen to be using masks. " "Most complained that they were too uncomfortable to wear and interfered with normal breathing. Others argued that gauze masks were useless against influenza.27 In the face of such opposition, there was little city hall could do to enforce the order. As Mayor Mills put it, “Why, it would take half the population to make the other half wear masks. You can’t arrest all the people, can you?”28 It appeared that Denver residents understood that the answer all too well. Mills and Sharpley therefore revised the mask order yet again, this time merely recommending that the general public wear masks while in crowds and aboard streetcars." |
The way Mike Dewine did things yesterday is how it should be done. He ASKED all Ohioans to wear a mask. I know what's coming in the future on this one but he did ask first. I wish he would have put a timeline on it like "let's do this for 4 weeks and stop the spread of this virus" It would give people a challenge and a goal to rise up and meet.
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I get it. My position pisses you off and you have no other retort. UGLY and IGNORANT are YOUR claims... personally I think that your post just outted your ignorance in an ugly way, but perhaps not. So why don't you support how my saying "We should all be VERY happy that this virus is not a huge threat to the majority of the population." is both "Ugly" and Ignorant." Go. |
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Project much? I mean Mr "Social Experiment" complains about others ^^^ |
To be fair island, your point that he highlights isn't correct. I saw a stat where over 60% of Americans have some form of health issue that would put them at risk if they were to get the virus. If the 60% stat is accurate, it is a huge threat to the majority of the population.
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What percentage of the population is though to be shedding this virus? -half a percent? So then the rest of the population must wear masks (of spurious effectiveness) until... ? uhm.... ? .. . .PROFIT! Seriously, until when? Any of you mask zealots have an answer? |
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The fact is we know SO much more about this virus than when it started. Much of the Doom & Gloom Pollyanna projections proved to be FALSE. What's the Average age of death? ~80? ...with quite a few cases of people in their 90's surviving. Certainly 60% of those exposed DO NOT have sever problems. |
The I intial goal was to protect hospital resources.
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And now what's the goal? (of mask programs and shut businesses) Tank the economy? Drive up the misery index? Kill off people with hospital avoidance? (undetected cancer and heart conditions...) |
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