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Shaun @ Tru6 08-18-2020 10:10 AM

Is Sweden's coronavirus strategy a cautionary tale or a Is Sweden's coronavirus strategy a cautionary tale or a success story?

13 August 2020

By Michael Le Page

Sweden was one of the few European countries not to impose a compulsory lockdown. Its unusual strategy for tackling the coronavirus outbreak has been both hailed as a success and condemned as a failure. So which is it?

Those who regard the strategy as a success claim it reduced the economic impact, but it isn’t clear that it did. What is clear is that so far Sweden has had a more protracted outbreak with far more deaths per capita than its neighbours.

While it is sometimes implied that Sweden didn’t have a lockdown, it did. It was just largely voluntary, with only a few legal measures such as a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people.

“Voluntary restrictions work as well as legal ones,” says the architect of Sweden’s strategy, chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell.

This appears to be true, in Sweden at least. The measures did work nearly as well in getting people to change their behaviour. Adam Sheridan at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark, for instance, has used data from a bank to compare spending patterns up to April in Sweden and Denmark. Denmark introduced a compulsory lockdown on 11 March, one of the first in Europe.

Sheridan found that spending – an indicator of behaviour as well as economic activity – fell by nearly as much in Sweden as in Denmark: 25 per cent compared with 29 per cent.

Similarly, data from the Citymapper phone app, which helps people plan their travel routes, suggests that travel in Stockholm fell to 40 per cent of the normal level. “That’s a substantial reduction,” says Martin McKee at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, whose team did the analysis. However, there were even bigger falls in other major European cities during compulsory lockdowns, to 20 per cent on average.

So there was a substantial voluntary lockdown in Sweden – yet it wasn’t nearly as effective in reducing the spread of the coronavirus as the compulsory lockdowns in neighbouring Denmark and Norway. Cases and deaths rose faster in Sweden and have been slower to decline.

Sweden has about 8200 confirmed cases per million people as of 12 August, compared with 1780 in Norway and 2560 in Denmark. (For the UK it is 4600 and the US 15,400.)

Sweden has had 57 deaths per 100,000, compared with five in Norway and 11 in Denmark. (For the UK it is 70 and the US 50.)

Sheridan’s analysis suggests that young people – whose spending makes little contribution to the overall economy – were least likely to change their behaviour and might have undermined the voluntary lockdown. Among people aged between 18 and 29, spending dropped far less in Sweden than in Denmark.

Tegnell, meanwhile, says the high death rate in Sweden was related to the failure to prevent infections in care homes. Matters have now been improved, he says. Half of Sweden’s deaths were in care homes up to mid-May.

What about the economy? “This has never been done to save the economy. It’s been done to save public health,” says Tegnell. And that means public health in a broad sense, he adds, not just the coronavirus.

That said, Sheridan’s spending comparison suggest that the economic impact was only slightly reduced by not imposing a more effective compulsory lockdown. “It’s very little in economic costs for saving a larger number of lives,” he says.

What’s more, recent data released by another bank suggests that spending in Denmark has recovered faster than in Sweden, says Sheridan.

Others have claimed that Sweden suffered less of an economic decline on the basis of initial estimates of GDP for the second quarter of 2020. Sweden’s fell by 8.6 per cent, less than the estimated average of 11.9 per cent for the European Union as a whole.

However, those making such claims fail to point out that several countries that did impose compulsory lockdowns did as well or better. GDP fell 8.4 per cent in the Czech Republic, for instance, and just 5.1 per cent in Lithuania, the lowest in the EU.

What’s more, many of the countries that fared worst, including the UK, Spain and Italy, rely heavily on tourism, unlike Sweden. A more telling comparison would be with Norway and Denmark, but these figures aren’t available yet.

What all the researchers agree on is that it isn’t over yet. There might be second waves in Denmark and Norway that Sweden avoids because so many people there have already been infected, although it is too soon to compare figures, not least because it is the summer holidays in Sweden during which time the country all but shuts down anyway. Comparisons are further complicated by the fact that Sweden hasn’t relaxed its approach at all, unlike the other countries.

Achieving herd immunity was one of Tegnell’s original aims – but antibody surveys suggest only about 20 per cent of people in Stockholm have been infected, similar to levels in London and New York. That is far short of near the 70 per cent level estimated to be needed.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251615-is-swedens-coronavirus-strategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/#ixzz6VUk8BUnw

pmax 08-18-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 10990047)
Sweden got their deaths over with early.

Washington state deaths per million are less than half of Sweden

It seems wearing masks prevented about 2000 deaths in Washington.

The trend is not your friend.

There are some really smart healthcare types in Sweden. WA is ignoring them at their own peril. For example, a spike in the middle of flu season would be bad news whereas in the middle of summer, not so. States like FL and AZ might have stumbled onto the optimal solution i.e. reached herd immunity while minimizing deaths as opposed to the ****ups in NY and NJ.

pmax 08-18-2020 10:49 AM

Excellent interview gives a glimpse of all the smart thinking behind the calculated decisions, not corrupted by politics.

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https://unherd.com/2020/07/swedens-anders-tegnell-judge-me-in-a-year/

pmax 08-20-2020 11:12 AM

And here's the rest going thru the same as every other place.

https://www.tpr.org/post/spain-france-and-germany-report-most-coronavirus-cases-their-lockdowns
Spain, France And Germany Report Most Coronavirus Cases Since Their Lockdowns
By Bill Chappell • 21 hours ago
Originally published on August 19, 2020 6:26 pm

The graph of Spain's daily coronavirus case count is taking on an emphatic U-shape, with 3,715 new infections in the past 24 hours – joining Germany and France on Wednesday in reporting the most cases since lockdowns helped Europe quash an initial wave of the COVID-19 pandemic months ago.

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/202...69adde8961.png

A chart shows coronavirus cases in the European Union and the United Kingdom, from early this year through Wednesday.
European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

pmax 08-21-2020 10:02 PM

Still bleeding out and getting worse in fact.

Will WA ever learn from the smart folks ?

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tt475197 08-22-2020 01:23 AM

Early days yet, but it's also a matter of what kind of society you would like to live (or die) in. Covid related deaths should be put in perspective with other diseases.

See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8652523/No-lockdown-no-hysteria-DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-asks-Sweden-proof-got-terribly-wrong.html

brainz01 08-22-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tt475197 (Post 10995672)
Early days yet, but it's also a matter of what kind of society you would like to live (or die) in. Covid related deaths should be put in perspective with other diseases.



See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8652523/No-lockdown-no-hysteria-DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-asks-Sweden-proof-got-terribly-wrong.html

I'm not generally a fan of The Daily Mail, but there's a huge heap of truth and common sense in that article. It's refreshing to see the popular press call for the government to end this madness.

Lockdowns and masks for all are failed policy. Fingers crossed we don't have to wait until November 4th for Americans to wake up and get back to business.

#SwedenGotItRight

Tobra 08-24-2020 08:57 AM

Turns out the premise of this thread is flawed.

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/e00861a7-485a-3e25-b23f-2bc91d95c448/sweden-has-developed-herd.html

Cajundaddy 08-24-2020 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10998197)

From the article: "experts cannot agree..."

Check back in 2024 and we will have some definitive data on infection, death rates, and herd immunity. Otherwise the 2020 economic forecast for Sweden still looks like it is taking a similar hit to their annual GDP as the rest of Europe and the USA.

Cost/benefit??

island911 08-24-2020 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 10998219)
.. Otherwise the 2020 economic forecast for Sweden still looks like it is taking a similar hit to their annual GDP as the rest of Europe and the USA.

Cost/benefit??

Because everyone around them stopped trading. And, BTW, that "similar hit" shows that they didn't go negative where others did.

IOW, everyone got hit when countries across the globe pull back (covid cower). Sweden however kept on keeping on, and took less of a hit because of their decision.

RWebb 08-25-2020 10:28 AM

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

stevej37 08-25-2020 10:30 AM

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/08/michigan-gets-12m-donation-from-ikea-for-coronavirus-relief.html

island911 08-30-2020 08:21 PM

https://summit.news/2020/08/24/uk-government-scientist-admits-lockdown-was-a-monumental-mistake-on-a-global-scale/

pmax 08-30-2020 10:09 PM

Still at it after how many months ?

Whitmer stated in an Aug. 25 press release. “Michigan families, frontline workers, and small businesses have done their part to slow the spread of the virus, but the fight is not over yet.”

legion 08-31-2020 07:23 AM

I've been saying that since March. Of course, we won't get the truth in this country as the pandemic has been co-opted to serve a political agenda.

Quote:

“Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease,” said Woolhouse, who is now calling on the government to unlock society before more damage is done.

“I never want to see national lockdown again,” he added. “It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally.”

The professor asserts that the impact of the response to coronavirus will be worse than the virus itself.

“I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by COVID-19,” said Woolhouse.

livi 09-03-2020 10:05 PM

As per the thread title:

Deaths per 1M

Sweden 577
USA 577

Welcome to the club! :)

island911 09-04-2020 09:55 AM

^ IDK... a lot of our CV deaths are people who happen to have had CV within 30 days of their car crash (or whatever)

But I do not believe that Sweden did it wrong.

McLovin 09-04-2020 01:14 PM

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Meanwhile, the US, lead by Dr. Fauci and state governors, has chosen to drag the virus out, increase deaths etc.
So while Sweden remains open and generally normal, the US still has many businesses locked down, schools closed, colleges that did open are sending kids back home, and our approach in aiding and abetting the virus puts is in a position of many more months of misery, lockdowns and deaths.
Who’d a thunk.

pmax 09-06-2020 02:51 PM

Rest of Europe's back to April levels

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legion 09-06-2020 03:58 PM

Who is using PCR tests? Those tests are total garbage and 90%+ of the positive results are false-positives. We're comparing apples to orangutans to neutrons when looking at numbers between countries.


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