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Brando 08-17-2020 12:29 PM

Thoughts on this video? Some good stats on confirmed infections and deaths for July/August.
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gregpark 08-17-2020 05:44 PM

The silence is deafening. Numbers don't lie. It's not what Sweden did right, it's what they didn't do wrong. We face a huge economic rebuild and they do not. There's obviously no conquering the virus, more like waiting for it to play itself out. And I would guess Sweden doesn't have a major election looming on the horizon

Cajundaddy 08-17-2020 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 10989538)
The silence is deafening. Numbers don't lie. It's not what Sweden did right, it's what they didn't do wrong. We face a huge economic rebuild and they do not. There's obviously no conquering the virus, more like waiting for it to play itself out. And I would guess Sweden doesn't have a major election looming on the horizon

I guess it all depends on how you measure "huge economic rebuild". Current forecast is for Sweden to see a -5.3% GDP for 2020 with the US growth forecast at -4.9%. I don't see any big winners here and both countries took a pretty big economic hit. 2021 we should see a rebound with new winners and losers post-pandemic.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-performance-country/sweden/economic-forecast-sweden_en

island911 08-17-2020 06:01 PM

When the world around Sweden drops...

Thanks for the vid, Brando

brainz01 08-17-2020 06:46 PM

Good vid, Brando. Hopefully the message gets out that COVID doesn't warrant draconian masks and lock downs for the healthy general populace.

RSBob 08-17-2020 07:09 PM

^ Until they become unhealthy. Just like Texas and Florida thought they were immune.

pmax 08-17-2020 07:25 PM

Looks like WA has gotten worse and it's gonna bleed for a while thanks to the shutdown policy.

Just let it go.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1597721094.jpg

island911 08-17-2020 09:17 PM

Everyone has been wearing masks and the death rate is not falling here.

.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1597727790.JPG

Hoovering around 13/day

What's Sweden's average for the month? Zero?

But they are not mask fanatics.

billybek 08-18-2020 05:18 AM

13 -23 deaths so far this month in Sweden depending on the source of information.

Looks like UNC/Chapel Hill has cancelled in person classes again.

island911 08-18-2020 06:13 AM

Well, you made me look. :)

Yesterday, Sweden's 7-day rolling average was ZERO

For the month it's One.

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dad911 08-18-2020 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10989738)
Everyone has been wearing masks and the death rate is not falling here.

.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1597727790.JPG

Hoovering around 13/day

What's Sweden's average for the month? Zero?

But they are not mask fanatics.

Sweden got their deaths over with early.

Washington state deaths per million are less than half of Sweden

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1597760263.jpg

It seems wearing masks prevented about 2000 deaths in Washington.

legion 08-18-2020 06:27 AM

The correct solution all along was to protect the vulnerable and let everyone else go about their lives. If the lockdowns worked, New Zealand would be sitting pretty.

Instead, all lockdowns do is to delay the inevitable while crushing civil liberties, destroying livelihoods, and upping deaths due to suicide, domestic violence, and plain old murder dramatically.

island911 08-18-2020 06:34 AM

So true ^
Quote:

Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 10990047)
...
It seems wearing masks prevented about 2000 deaths in Washington.

LOL, no.

If you remember, the State of WA saw known case #1 (he recovered) but the freak-out exploded here LONG before mask wearing was a thing. ...Long before mandatory shut downs we had so many businesses encouraging people to work from home and had sanitizer and bleach wipe littered office spaces.

Masks had little to do with flattening the curve.

dad911 08-18-2020 07:04 AM

I'm somewhere in the middle. Personal responsibility, masks in public enclosed places.

My mother has been in and out of hospitals, rehab, and yesterday entered an assisted living facility. Masks, testing, and sanitizer have definitely kept those facilities safer.

My point was 1 chart does not tell the whole picture. However if the goal is minimal deaths, Washington state has done a much better job than Sweden.

island911 08-18-2020 07:15 AM

It was not Masks,
It was not testing,
It's not hand sanitizer...

The #1 thing that has kept us safe is... drumroll . . . personal physiological resistance to this virus.

island911 08-18-2020 07:59 AM

I find it so very strange that so many believe that our bodies have little or no mechanisms to stop this virus.
That only State dictate device and behavior will save you from dying.

It's really something, that flies in the face of the facts. - that the vast majority have symptoms so mild that they barely notice.

And yet...

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legion 08-18-2020 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 10990105)
However if the goal is minimal deaths, Washington state has done a much better job than Sweden.

Minimized deaths by COVID, but increased deaths due to suicide, domestic violence, and murder.

RWebb 08-18-2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 10989560)
I guess it all depends on how you measure "huge economic rebuild". Current forecast is for Sweden to see a -5.3% GDP for 2020 with the US growth forecast at -4.9%. I don't see any big winners here and both countries took a pretty big economic hit. 2021 we should see a rebound with new winners and losers post-pandemic.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-performance-country/sweden/economic-forecast-sweden_en


while a 'lockdown' was not mandated, the Swedes (wisely) stayed home enough to create the functional equivalent of a lockdown

RWebb 08-18-2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 10990220)
Minimized deaths by COVID, but increased deaths due to suicide, domestic violence, and murder.

Really???

Please cite the sources for this claim.

G50 08-18-2020 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10990371)
while a 'lockdown' was not mandated, the Swedes (wisely) stayed home enough to create the functional equivalent of a lockdown

???

The vast majority of businesses (including restaurants) stayed open.
The vast majority continued to go to work.
Most schools stayed open. Thousands and thousands of students, teachers etc continued on.
Sweden looked nothing at all like the equivalent of a lockdown. Not even close.


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