Oh WOW the new CORVETTE..

[Mike Andrew]

Have seen a couple out and about in the past several weeks.
Caught one coming at me and thought it looked pretty good. As I glanced sideways and then in my side mirror, whole different take. Rear third of the car, to my taste, is fugly. Seems like they could have done a better job blending all of the lines. Almost like they ran out of design time and had to get into production. (Crossfire has similar issue with the rear end being an afterthought)
But, everything I have read says that the performance is incredible and the price is right. So. kudos to GM. Now, if Porsche would get serious.....

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by javadog

I can live with most of the car but the ass end is a deal killer for me. That’s the trouble with most Corvettes, I can live with 90% of the car but there’s always something about it that I can’t stand.

They’ve been fast and great value for money for decades, I just wish they could build a complete car for once.

For you they maybe never will. One can pick apart just about anything. Take it or leave it as a package. I've never seen a refrigerator that I have no complaints about.

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I've always wondered (and tried to practice at times) what life with cars would be if you couldn't see much of the exterior, only the interior and the feel of the car while driving.

I've owned a lot of cars just like most of you and I've bought and sold them for a variety of reasons. But I don't remember ever thinking of how a car fit me strictly as a driver in the seat and not anything about how it struck me while walking around it.

IDK where to place that kind of thought. Is that the Zen of auto ownership?

As close as I have gotten to this relationship with a car, and certainly as only a fantasy, is to imagine driving a V-12 something, particularly an older Ferrari. There has to be a zone where the seat, wheel and controls, along with the feel of the road, are the primary inputs with no regard for the exterior that encases your command at the helm.

IOW, like a real life simulator. You see the other objects as they are, but you are unaware of what your ride looks like or what its appeal is to others.

The ideal attitude.

[Racerbvd]

[ted]

Originally Posted by Zeke

IDK where to place that kind of thought. Is that the Zen of auto ownership?

As close as I have gotten to this relationship with a car, and certainly as only a fantasy, is to imagine driving a V-12 something, particularly an older Ferrari. There has to be a zone where the seat, wheel and controls, along with the feel of the road, are the primary inputs with no regard for the exterior that encases your command at the helm.

My Zen is no abs, no computers, car suspension and power train tuned by me to my desires.
Everything completely mechanical and driver dependent.

There is no Zen for me when at the limit the nannies start to soften the acceleration, control the braking or slow the corner speeds.
Any computer aided intrusion eliminates any chance of Zen.

How can you get to automotive Zen with a computer that manipulates each wheel independently, where ABS, traction control and stability control are all computer controlled.

C8 does everything better.
My old C5Z still looks great too.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Zeke

For you they maybe never will. One can pick apart just about anything. Take it or leave it as a package. I've never seen a refrigerator that I have no complaints about.

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I've always wondered (and tried to practice at times) what life with cars would be if you couldn't see much of the exterior, only the interior and the feel of the car while driving.

I've owned a lot of cars just like most of you and I've bought and sold them for a variety of reasons. But I don't remember ever thinking of how a car fit me strictly as a driver in the seat and not anything about how it struck me while walking around it.

IDK where to place that kind of thought. Is that the Zen of auto ownership?

As close as I have gotten to this relationship with a car, and certainly as only a fantasy, is to imagine driving a V-12 something, particularly an older Ferrari. There has to be a zone where the seat, wheel and controls, along with the feel of the road, are the primary inputs with no regard for the exterior that encases your command at the helm.

IOW, like a real life simulator. You see the other objects as they are, but you are unaware of what your ride looks like or what its appeal is to others.

The ideal attitude.

I've owned a few cars that I haven't had any complaints about. So, it's possible...

I guess I prefer the simplicity of German and Italian design. I'm after clean lines, not endless, unrelated details. I guess the Corvette wouldn't ever suit me. It's like they have to be different, just to be different. I wouldn't be surprised if several different people had responsibilities for part of the car, each.

It's not that I find all American design to be awful. There are several cars I'd consider owning. The current Mustang is one example.

I find though, that when I don't like one aspect of the current Corvette design, it's a commonly expressed opinion.

Which Vette cornered well but rode like a lumber truck?
Which Vette was pretty good but had a cheap, plasticky interior?
Which Vette was too busy and too angular on the outside?
Which Vette has a horrible ass end?
Etc.

Anybody that has thought about these cars for the last 30 years could answer each of those questions.

[Embraer]

I've seen them in person....they're great looking; much better than in photos. I'm just not a corvette guy. Absolutely no denying what a car it is. Especially at the price point.

I will say that at my last time in Le Mans in 2016...the Corvette was a track favorite. Nothing on the track sounded like the brutal smashing hammer sound of the V8 as it went by. People were going crazy for it. I camped in the yellow lot, by the Porsche curves, and all of my camping neighbors couldn't stop talking about it.

[1990C4S]

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Speaking of obsolete fools, few are worse than Corvette owners. Seems like the majority of C7 and earlier owners hate the C8, just because it's new and different, and demonstrably superior in nearly every way (and actually costs less!). Thousands of Grandpa Simpsons collectively shaking their fists at clouds.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/the-c8-corvette-is-not-without-flaws/

There is some seriously impressive technology in the C8. Funny to see the old fools whining about how they don't trust the "electronic brake pedal." It's not electronic, there's a goddamn metal rod connected directly to the master cylinder, as you can see in the video. It also has an "electronic" booster and pressure monitoring. Smart.

Nothing wrong with a good, simple pushrod V8.
No manual transmission, which is sad, but I can understand why they did it.

Sounds exactly like Porsche guys when the water cooled 911 came out.

[pavulon]

I like these. Fast, sound wonderful, easy on the eyes, reliable, kicked ass in racing...

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Sounds exactly like Porsche guys when the water cooled 911 came out.

Would not surprise me.
Most are stuck in the past.

[RANDY P]

I don't buy cars to bench race or for instagram, I buy to drive. Modern cars are too much for the street to be used anyhow-

As long as I'm having fun with it that's what matters, whether it's taking it apart or ripping around on the roads I must be involved.

rjp

[RWebb]

I'm with Java and the others who hate the overly aggro looks.

I'm with Zeke and those who say think of the complete car, and the super tech they have rolled into not many bucks.

The Cayman is so pretty you think the Italians designed it.

[HardDrive]

You guys are nuts. I think that car looks absolutely ferocious.

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

You guys are nuts. I think that car looks absolutely ferocious.

Some ancient silver-hair in town bought one it that ghastly baby blue. I pulled up behind him.

It's DEFINITELY photogenic.

rjp

[svandamme]

uggo interior
uggo exterior


I don't care if it goes like stink cause I don't wanna be seen in one..or have to bother looking at that uggo dash

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

You guys are nuts. I think that car looks absolutely ferocious.

so did Velociraptors


but they are extinct - and now the fearsome predators on this planet are all cute and cuddly with good family values

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Amazing features and specs but I’m in the “sick-to-death-of-angry-looking-cars” camp. For crying out loud... one of the things I love about my old 911 is it DOESN'T look mean or angry or aggressive. It looks happy, smiling, maybe even a bit innocent. And then you drive it and... wow!

I guess it’s just a reflection on what I see as one little example of our society hurtling towards idiocracy - everyone needs to be more “Camacho” macho than the next. Bigger, badder, etc. I don’t get impressed by such things.

They could make the car LOOK way more elegant and still plenty fast but... they’re building them to sell and unfortunately lots of people want their chest-thumping “I’m better’n you” attitude on public display so... that’s what’ll sell. I get it but still don’t care for it.

I certainly wouldn’t turn one down. For under $90k that’s a heck of a lot of car and GM deserves to be proud of what they’ve done overall.

[McLovin]

I saw one at a car show.
It had horrible huge blingy aftermarket wheels, which didn’t help.
It was, to me, “ok.”
Certainly not horrible or offensive.
But largely just a derivative of things that have already been done over and over by foreign cars.
Looks wise, breaks no new ground and has no connection to past Corvettes, or really, American styling.
The glass engine lid and the engine look nice.
If it’s really around $60-65k, though, seems like a heck of a car (for someone into a car like that, it’s definitely not for me).

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by RWebb

so did Velociraptors


but they are extinct - and now the fearsome predators on this planet are all cute and cuddly with good family values

Look, this took a really odd turn...I'm just going to back away slowly....

[RWebb]

wolves... not to mention others like bears, African lions, wolverines, and humans

definitely don't turn your back on any of them