Interesting Tim T., thank you for posting that.

1409 lbs in a BMW? Are you sure? That is early bug zone.
That seems impossible for a modern sports car with crumple zones/ABS/big HP engine/etc.

As a general ballpark:
Under 2,000 lbs and over 200 hp is entering the 'racing' zone. 10:1 ratio.

Same with getting over 100 hp/1 liter out of an engine without extreme modifications.

Wheels/rims look fragile..

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The 1st generation Volkswagen GTI was a blast to drive. Simple and fun.

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I cringe at low profile tires like that. My new-to-me Jetta wagon comes with 17” wheels with 45-section tires stock. Blew a tire on a pothole on the Dan Ryan in June - first time I’d had anything happen to a tire in any car in almost a decade. Wouldn’t have happened with a 60-section tire.

I think we are simply getting too old for this.

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The car's styling is "busy" but it grows on you. I've always had Civics as reliable daily drivers & recently had to get a new one (Si) because someone crashed into mine. Great performance bang for your $25k buck & it made me want more. So I started looking at the Type R but was dismayed to find that dealers are absolute *****heads when it comes to this car. In my area it's hard to find the car without a huge markup or loaded with all kinds of bloated dealer add-ons. I even offered $1500 over MSRP (against every fiber of my being) and was laughed out of the dealership I had recently bought the Si from. You're up against a huge following of Type R fanatics due to the car not being available here until 2017 and then just as things were calming down with covid & the economy, they add some improvements, colors, etc and now the demand is going up again. Sigh. It's a really great car, especially for the money. The shifter/tranny it shares with the Si is amazing...snick, snick, snick! There are certainly issues with rear visibility, some weird blind spots and aggravating poor pedal positioning for heel & toe...I guess that's why they have the autoblipper standard in the car. The Si doesn't get that so I had to buy a bracket to move the gas pedal (all fly-by-wire so no big deal) but it doesn't completely solve the problem, I may have to modify the gas pedal a little. Without dealer markups, the car is an amazing performance bargain for the price & there is little to compare it to at it's price. The WRX Sti has always been considered somewhat unrefined and clunky & it, the Ford & VW offerings are all more expensive. Everyone gushes about the engineering that went into the car, the lack of torque steer, etc. I can imagine how much fun my Si would be with 100 more hp. BTW Si's are a steal...they sit on lots forever because of the manual tranny. Don't know if that changed now that Honda says it's discontinuing the coupe bodystyle and going all-in on a 4 door Civic lineup. If you can find a Type R at MSRP, buy it! You may not like the magnet-through-the-parts-bin look but the handling, performance and shifter will make you smile. PS: there are sites that list dealers that don't try to rape you such as civicx.com. You may have to travel for it but a reasonably priced Type R is possible.

Only if you hit the curb.

Or a pot hole for that matter.

I sure hope that big Brembo brake caliper doesn't go round and round with the wheel.

I was talking about my kitcar @ 1409 lbs( I didn't mention BMW so where did that come from?) That sort of power to weight ratio is not even competitive anymore in the UK. Proper road legal kit cars under 1100 pounds with 250 or more bhp are common, but they are Sevenesque style, unlike my car with full width bodywork and a decent trunk.All kitcars have to undergo a Government Independent Vehicle Assessment before being licensable for the road, ie a full safety review. Surviving getting hit by a lorry disguised as a passenger vehicle which is carrying 4 obese people whilst the driver is texting, is admittedly not a consideration during the assessment.

My GF had one of those in Germany. Certainly fun to drive around there!

Zero doubt, we know that is a hoot to drive on a pretty day. I bet it really sucks in the rain, or below freezing days, or on a 40 Celsius day. It is a single use vehicle. No one is going to commute in heavy traffic in a car like that.

Comparing it to any modern production car is just not a fair comparison. 99.99% of the population of the planet want more out of a car than "just goes like stink" fast.

My 35 year old 911 is primitive enough, yet it has AC that will make me cold on the hottest days, a heater to keep me warm in well below freezing temps, and keep my wife and I comfortable on a one day long 900 mile road trip and it is a blast to drive on the track or autocross.

Saw a Civic R in black yesterday. Think the owner had done a total black out on it as it didn't look as blingy. Looked alright for what it is.

Looks like it got beaten senseless by the Aztec Ugly Stick™

Don’t even get me started on how stupid it looks to have wide tires on the front and skinny ones on the rear...

I had a 2018 Civic Si 4dr sedan. Great blend of performance - 205hp, 2800lb (like an early Boxster). 6spd manual. sport (adj) suspension, LSD, sport seats. A much more year round friendly car than the bigger brother Type R. Even averaged 40mpg when commuting. It comes with 18" wheels.. and somehow I went through 2 tires (puncture/flat) in 18 mo. Does NOT come with a spare, but you can retrofit one. Didn't like that. And yes, the Si coupe has been phased out.

The 19-20" wheels on the Type R are fragile and tire/rim damage could be in your future.

To me, I'd rather have a Golf Type R or GTi than the Honda's. They are much more "mature" in ride and comfort.

I absolutely would not put it past the English to do just that.

That was one of the first questions I asked the owner in post#1
He said the car came with same size tires all around.

Yea it comes that way but...

How many ricer-boys will seriously keep it that way?

Hmm...

Nothing but Luxo Barges now?

My 991 GTS with the manual transmission weighs 3140 pounds and has 430 HP.

some of the obnoxious gee-gaws on the R might be less obvious in a dark color - worked on the Toy Yota Supras...

As Bill noted they probably look best in black.