Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11019227)

Ditto. I have been posting about this travesty for months. Businesses failing because the government hasn’t allowed them to operate.

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11019442)

The end game wrt Covid19 is that it will run its course and without a vaccine or a population intelligent enough to take measures to stem its transmission, it could continue killing people for 2 years. Who knows. The USA had basically two options at the beginning of the pandemic, either decide that the economy was more important than the health and lives of its citizens and remain completely open or shut down everything and have people quarantine for a couple months to squash it, like other countries successfully did. Unfortunately, we did neither and that’s why it’s been such a disaster here. I would argue that it’s been horrible, negligent leadership at the top and also among governors who insisted on reopening too quickly or not enacting temporary measures to stop the spread.

What part of the U.S. Constitution forbids government from taking measures such as closing businesses temporarily in a public health crisis? Don’t spend too much time looking for it, it’s not there. In fact, our government could take much more drastic measures than what has been done without running afoul of the constitution. That’s a fake argument that you’ve been fed. Probably by the same people who told you that only 6000 people have died from Covid19. Maybe check w a legitimate information source once in a while, just for the hell of it? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11019442)

either decide that the economy was more important than the health and lives of its citizens and remain completely open or shut down everything and have people quarantine for a couple months to squash it, like other countries successfully did. Unfortunately, we did neither and that’s why it’s been such a disaster here.

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11019463)

Maybe people should have done that by themselves for the betterment of their communities, instead of requiring a government to hold their hands?

Bosses/businesses could have closed for 3 weeks, everyone has a fun stay at home vacation with pay. EVERYONE. At the end of the month, COVID is gone, and we can all go back to normal life. Businesses would have lost some income, but they'd be back to 100% now with a full happy healthy staff.

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11019463)

Maybe people should have done that by themselves for the betterment of their communities, instead of requiring a government to hold their hands?

Bosses/businesses could have closed for 3 weeks, everyone has a fun stay at home vacation with pay. EVERYONE. At the end of the month, COVID is gone, and we can all go back to normal life. Businesses would have lost some income, but they'd be back to 100% now with a full happy healthy staff.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11019118)

Do tell. What are my responsibilities according to you?

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11019459)

Government? You mean, business that have been suffering and failing because half of their workers were sick or afraid of getting sick, and half of their customers were sick or afraid of getting sick?

Be reasonably. What business is the government restricting right now? Schools are open, bars are open, restaurants are open, groceries stores are open, theaters are open, strip clubs are open (kinda)...WHO is the "government" restricting, and WHICH "government" are you talking about?

Fact is, businesses and industries are failing because people are not spending money, not going out, then those people lose their jobs because their business or industry is failing, and it all gets worse. Don't blame some "government", the effects of closures have been minor compared to the effects of the virus and of social fear of interaction. The businesses started dying before the government restrictions, and now that lots of those restrictions are being lifted, they're STILL dying. What is the common feature though? The virus?

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11019490)

That may be the case in Texas, Mike, but it is absolutely not the case up here in Washington. Our schools are closed. Many businesses remain closed. Restaurants and bars were allowed to open at drastically reduced capacity a couple of months ago, but just last week had many of the earlier restrictions imposed once again, with bars essentially being all but closed. Theaters were allowed to open at restricted capacity, but have been once again ordered closed. Many parks and other recreational sites had been allowed to open, but are once again closed. Gyms, yoga and dance studios, karate and other martial arts studios, pools, and all of that kind of thing have not yet been allowed to open. The same holds true in many other states - just look at the big flap of Pelosi getting her hair done - salons in California have not yet been allowed to open. They remain even more locked down than we are up here in Washington.

This is all per our governor's powers of emergency order. He pretty much has free rein to impose any restrictions he would like, under an "emergency powers" statute we, ironically, just enacted by citizens' initiative one year ago. He is taking full advantage of it... So, yes, this is very state-specific. Your situation in Texas is far different than ours.

Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11019497)

In Lawton, Ok masks are a requirement but other than that very few restrictions. Far different that many other states.

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11019581)

Masks only in Ohio. Everything open but surely limited heads for certain places.

Odd though, I saw a handwritten sign walking into a grocery store yesterday that said Max Occupancy 681.

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11019463)

Maybe people should have done that by themselves for the betterment of their communities, instead of requiring a government to hold their hands?

Bosses/businesses could have closed for 3 weeks, everyone has a fun stay at home vacation with pay. EVERYONE. At the end of the month, COVID is gone, and we can all go back to normal life. Businesses would have lost some income, but they'd be back to 100% now with a full happy healthy staff.

Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11019489)

You've demonstrated your disdain for fundamental measures. I'd imagine handwashing is too much to ask of you as well. For the rest of society, it's been spelled out.

Surgery participants wear masks because they protect other people and (secondarily) themselves. These are fundamentals too but I'm sure you would be fine to find out people cited their right to opt out when working on you or your family, right? I mean, you know how ineffective masks are and all.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11019908)

You were too busy attempting to insult me that you forgot to answer my question. Also just to be clear, the use of masks in a surgical setting is a dramatically different topic than people feeling all smug wearing bandannas around the Walmart.

Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11019915)

How do you know how they feel?

Wearing a mask for prevention of contamination of others is the same fundamental principle everywhere...even in Walmart. A genuine effort is better than no effort or worse yet undermining genuine efforts.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11019941)

Wearing a cloth mask that has been shown to actually enhance the spread of CV is helping protect people packed into a Walmart? Or maybe we should discuss the blatant misunderstanding and lack of adherence to proper mask protocol that would be followed in a medical setting?

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11019941)

Wearing a cloth mask that has been shown to actually enhance the spread of CV

Originally Posted by 911boost (Post 11019740)

Post #103 may the most naive thing I have ever read on Covid... Closing everything for 3 weeks.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11019490)

This is all per our governor's powers of emergency order. He pretty much has free rein to impose any restrictions he would like, under an "emergency powers" statute we, ironically, just enacted by citizens' initiative one year ago. He is taking full advantage of it... So, yes, this is very state-specific. Your situation in Texas is far different than ours.