Both. Since there's no place to access the line, I will have to put some sort of access hole in there eventually...

-Wayne

Well, I just spent two hours with the new camera poking around. On the right side, I found a tiny 1" access hole under the compartment for the switch, which I was able to stick the camera down. I can see the tanks, but I cannot see any hoses. Speaking of hoses, I cut them (they basically fell apart) and I was not able to shove them into the car and then stick the camera through the hole - the remains of the old hose was there.

I think an access cut will have to be made on each side of the fender in order to get in there and get enough room to work. I don't think merely cutting the fiberglass from below will work because maneuvering the fuel line in that area from below will be very difficult. At least I have a very good idea now where the fuel hoses are located, even though I haven't been able to see any of them.



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make tank bags to fit in the existing top hole or bigger as needed
that will block the bottom hole and old line
use a submerged fuel pump and top exit fuel line along with a level sender all in one unit

I have removed and replaced such units in GM and volvo cars so common and eazy to get
bags will be custom and the major expense but much safer

Is there wood between the wheel well and tank?

I think I'd take a deep breath, drill a small hole in the wheel well, and scope it out.

I think that will be what I will do today. Did you see the camera, I got, it can fit in a 10-32 (4mm) hole. Insane. Here's a photo of it going through one of the *bolt holes* of the gas tank sender:

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-Wayne

If you put the car on a 3 axis rotisserie, then pour in tank seal and slosh it all around.....

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Sorry Wayne, just kidding......that's all I got.

:) Funny!

-Wayne

Wayne, Have you considered a Walabot DIY stud finder? An attachment for your smartphone. I've been amazed to see the wiring and plumbing inside of drywalls.

If it were me, I'd do a little more measuring and get a better idea of where the outlet is before cutting anything. You need to consider how you will need to access the old and new hoses and how you'll get them in and out and loosen/tighten the clamps. I'm thinking the outlet will be around a foot forward of the wheel well, like in this area circled in yellow in this photo.

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Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm 99.9% sure it's not there, because I can look inside the tank through the fuel tank sender and measure where it is roughly. It's on the far wall (back) of the tank at the bottom. More like where the red circle is in this photo:

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On the yellow car, it certainly looks like the remanufactured tanks that they put in have it empty out the bottom, but not on this tank - it's definitely in the side.

Here is a new photo with the new camera:


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This is shot from inside of the tank facing the rear. From this angle:


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Here is a photo of the edges of the tank superimposed on that angle to sortof show where the rear of the tank is located with respect to the side of the car. I'm not sure if this is clear...

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-Wayne

More thinking outside the box....

1/4" x 18" drill bit. Drill from the inside out? through the fitting? :eek::eek:

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I thought about trying to poke something from the inside out, but there's no leverage through the gas tank sender hole. It's not large enough to stick my hand through, so it would be very difficult to get anything in there...

-Wayne

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Is the red circle the filler?

Can you plug the line from the inside (blue) and drop a new feed (green) next to the filler?

Glad you checked inside the tank and found out that they had built your tanks differently from those on the yellow car. That makes it a no-brainer where to put the access panel.

Yes, one could theoretically do that, but there's no way to get that line then back into the engine compartment (through the fire wall). There's no big access hole there. Plus, you'd have to plug the hole from the inside (very difficult), and then that might leak later on. Good suggestion, but poking a hole in the back to access is probably less painful.

I might drill a small 4mm hole in the back of the left side later on to take a closer look. I'm at the stage now where I have no other options?

-Wayne

Given how small your borescope is, I’d go ahead and drill a hole where you think the outlet is likely to be and see what you get.

Indeed. I've been walking around the house and looking in the mirror trying to find places to stick the borescope where it won't get stuck and/or send me to urgent care! :)

-Wayne

They do have a lot of uses. I bought one a couple years ago, not super happy with the image quality, but it has solved quite a few problems for me.

Okay, so I had a drink tonight, and just bit the bullet and drilled a small access hole in the left side fender well. Some news (not sure if it's good or bad). The panel is a thin fiberglass panel - definitely not structural in nature. It definitely sounds different on the left side than the right side though - the left side sounded thin and hollow when tapped on, the right side sounds thick and heavy. As if one side sounds like thin fiberglass and the other side sounds like thick wood.

I stuck the camera into the small access hole and all I can see is foam. The entire chamber has been sealed with that "inner wall" sealing foam. So, at least on the left side, I know what needs to be done now. I need to cut a portion of this thin fiberglass panel out to make an access hole so that I can scrape out the foam and reach the tank connection (on the left side). Presumably, left and right would be the same, but they certainly don't sound that way.

I'll cut the panel out with my Dremmel tool and perhaps a hand saw (sometimes more accurate). Then I should be able to reach in there and dig out the foam and actually see the bottom tank connection. Looks like going through the fender well (at least on the left side) is the right thing to do - this is a very thin piece of fiberglass.

I'll update tomorrow...

-Wayne