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Por_sha911 10-13-2020 10:58 PM

Most Heavily Armed States
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/

I would have never guessed some were higher or lower.

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While this list is lengthy, it does not include categories like pistols, which make up a large percentage of the guns in the U.S. As such, the total numbers of guns in each state would actually be much higher than the figures here. This gallery is a but a snapshot of some of the broader trends.

varmint 10-13-2020 11:12 PM

15.2 guns for every 1000 residents.

I call bull crap on that.

Por_sha911 10-13-2020 11:50 PM

You live in Alaska?

Bill Douglas 10-14-2020 12:56 AM

Registered firearms.

No wonder they have no idea of how many guns are out there. In New Zealand we wouldn't have a clue.

ckelly78z 10-14-2020 02:34 AM

They are clueless how many guns are traded for no money, or paperwork in every state...I know of several !

PorscheGAL 10-14-2020 03:14 AM

Those stats are flawed.

Here in SC we don't register our firearms. We do Federal backgrounds but not if it is private sale or gun show sales. They have no way of knowing how many firearms there are.

DC #2 because they are required to register.

onewhippedpuppy 10-14-2020 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PorscheGAL (Post 11064019)
Those stats are flawed.

Here in SC we don't register our firearms. We do Federal backgrounds but not if it is private sale or gun show sales. They have no way of knowing how many firearms there are.

DC #2 because they are required to register.

Yup. Same in most conservative states. Also doesn’t take into account those that are passed down through family and friends that were purchased prior to background check requirements. Take whatever is known and the reality is exponentially more.

legion 10-14-2020 05:25 AM

What!? A journalist completely misunderstood the topic they were reporting on and drew a bunch of conclusions that were the complete opposite of reality? I'm shocked.

Fortunately, we can count on them to get the important stuff right. Like viruses. :rolleyes:

javadog 10-14-2020 05:30 AM

Given what I know about my friends' gun collections, those numbers might be off by a factor of 10.

Or 20.

Or 30.

Don't know for sure, as nobody will give you the real number they own. But, it's in that ballpark.

Flat Six 10-14-2020 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 11064069)
What!? A journalist completely misunderstood the topic they were reporting on and drew a bunch of conclusions that were the complete opposite of reality? I'm shocked.

Fortunately, we can count on them to get the important stuff right. Like viruses. :rolleyes:

Shocked, shocked I say!

Apparently I count for > 1,000 people. I should get that many votes SmileWavy

Clickbait article based on NFA federally registered items database (SBR, Class III, suppressors, etc.). Nothing from Form 4473 transfers, private party transfers, etc..

javadog 10-14-2020 05:48 AM

It just shows you how a typical reporter doesn't know enough about the subjects they cover. Had I been asked to write an article on that subject, I'd have declined, as I know that there is no reliable data available.

legion 10-14-2020 05:50 AM

Honestly, I don't know what number I'd even give if asked.

I have various projects in various states of completion. Some are legally firearms (had to fill out 4473), but lack the ability to fire a bullet. Some have the ability to fire a bullet but are not legally firearms (like a musket).

Porsche-O-Phile 10-14-2020 05:55 AM

It’s a shame all mine were lost during that storm when the boat sank. Damn shame...

onewhippedpuppy 10-14-2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 11064114)
It’s a shame all mine were lost during that storm when the boat sank. Damn shame...

When I heard that guns kill people I just threw mine in the lake.

KFC911 10-14-2020 05:58 AM

HRC got mine years ago...

GH85Carrera 10-14-2020 06:12 AM

My gun collection was lost in a tragic boating accident, right in the middle of the lake several years ago.

There is no registration needed here. I went to a gun show at at the state fairgrounds back in the early 1980s. I walked up to a table, saw what I wanted, and handed the guy behind the table the cash, and walked out. Well, after stopping at a different table to buy ammo.

Now of course there is a federal background check to buy a gun from a dealer. Those records are supposedly deleted after a short time.

masraum 10-14-2020 06:18 AM

No registration in most states, and the list in the link above is only for long-spoons. It does not include hand spoons, which is probably huge.

This list is like saying "this is a list of all of the people that have died in our city. Except that it's only the people that died of natural causes (not diseases or accidents) in hospital #3 out of our 5 hospitals. We also aren't counting the people that died in locations other than hospitals. But this is the complete list."

Bob Kontak 10-14-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11064139)
No registration in most states, and the list in the link above is only for long-spoons. It does not include hand spoons, which is probably huge.

This list is like saying "this is a list of all of the people that have died in our city. Except that it's only the people that died of natural causes (not diseases or accidents) in hospital #3 out of our 5 hospitals. We also aren't counting the people that died in locations other than hospitals. But this is the complete list."

+1 Alaska at 15 and Wyoming at 195 (I think) guns per 1k heads. There's different types of accounting going on.

I have a feeling those countdown articles exist to generate mouse clicks for advertising revenue. Content is secondary.

Rick Lee 10-14-2020 07:24 AM

Don't think reporters are only clueless about guns. You can assume this level of ignorance on most issues they cover. I love the reports about background checks each month outpacing the previous month. I probably buy at least five guns a year. Haven't been through a background check in 12 years other than for my CCW renewals. So how many guns do they think I have?

masraum 10-14-2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11064217)
+1 Alaska at 15 and Wyoming at 195 (I think) guns per 1k heads. There's different types of accounting going on.

I have a feeling those countdown articles exist to generate mouse clicks for advertising revenue. Content is secondary.

Absolutely!

javadog 10-14-2020 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 11064221)
Don't think reporters are only clueless about guns. You can assume this level of ignorance on most issues they cover. I love the reports about background checks each month outpacing the previous month. I probably buy at least five guns a year. Haven't been through a background check in 12 years other than for my CCW renewals. So how many guns do they think I have?

Reporters are clueless about everything. Only thing they studied in school is journalism and I doubt they’d get an article about that right, either. Probably partied too hard in school to remember much of it anyway.

kach22i 10-14-2020 08:15 AM

Cold fingers lead to accidental gun discharge?

Firearms and accidental deaths:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6368/1324
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1602688404.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1602688404.gif

Okay, that is not what they say, but my eyes are starting to see it that way.:)

Por_sha911 10-14-2020 08:29 AM

I was shocked about D.C. being to high on the list until I thought about it.
All those politicians who vote to take your rights to bear arms and are trying to nullify 2A have government provided (or private) ARMED security to protect THEM because it isn't safe in public otherwise. :mad:

sammyg2 10-14-2020 08:46 AM

If I had guns (and I don't, ya hear that gubmint?) that ridiculous article would not know about them.

onewhippedpuppy 10-14-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11064262)
Reporters are clueless about everything. Only thing they studied in school is journalism and I doubt they’d get an article about that right, either. Probably partied too hard in school to remember much of it anyway.

I work in aerospace, every aviation related piece of news coverage is cringe-worthy at best. Most just blatantly wrong.

javadog 10-14-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11064364)
I work in aerospace, every aviation related piece of news coverage is cringe-worthy at best. Most just blatantly wrong.

That's been true of every article and TV piece that I've had inside knowledge about.

GH85Carrera 10-14-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11064364)
I work in aerospace, every aviation related piece of news coverage is cringe-worthy at best. Most just blatantly wrong.

It has been that way for many decades. It just has to fit the agenda of the reporter.

I used to be a press photographer. I went to many events, and was at an interview with a person and would meet a reporter at a site to take the photos for them if it was a one on one interview or story. Other times it was some politician or protest or march or whatever.

I would be there for the entire event, and leave with first person knowledge. The next day the story is in the paper, and I recognized the photo I took, but the story is way different than what I remembered.

911boost 10-14-2020 09:44 AM

Bad roads lead to putting an erector set and plastic wheels on your 911?

varmint 10-14-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 11064287)
Cold fingers lead to accidental gun discharge?

Firearms and accidental deaths:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6368/1324
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1602688404.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1602688404.gif

Okay, that is not what they say, but my eyes are starting to see it that way.:)




Where is Chicago on this map?

varmint 10-14-2020 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 11063993)
You live in Alaska?

Yes,

I don’t have time to dig deep into the methodology. But something way low with that number.

GH85Carrera 10-14-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 11064506)
Where is Chicago on this map?

Chicago has more shootings and murders in one week that the accidents are way to low to mention.

The vast majority of "accidental" shooting are no accident at all. Someone picked up a gun, pointed it and pulled the trigger. It is like saying someone accidentally threw a glass of water on the ceiling. It was a very deliberate action.

Usually the excuse is they did not know it was loaded, but anyone with more brains than a chimp know to treat all guns as loaded at all times. If a parents leaves a gun out and accessible to a kid, that adult needs to serve jail time.

onewhippedpuppy 10-14-2020 01:16 PM

Nothing accidental about what’s happening in Chicago.

red-beard 10-14-2020 01:34 PM

Flat Six has it correct. This is about the NFA Federally registered Machine Guns, SBRs, destructive devices, etc.

Tobra 10-14-2020 05:35 PM

Stupidest clickbait article on guns I have seen so far.

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While the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record is the only accessible list of its kind, it is not all-inclusive. NFA firearms only include the categories regulated by The National Firearms Act of 1934: machine guns, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, suppressors, destructive devices like bombs and grenades, concealable devices with the ability to discharge a shot through the energy of an explosive, and any firearm with a bore over half an inch that has not been determined to have a legitimate sporting use.
This excludes practically all the guns the average person would own

Bill Douglas 10-14-2020 06:31 PM

In New Zealand rifles and shotguns aren't on any sort of register, so we don't have any idea of how many guns are out there.

Haha, when I was about 11 or 12 I went into a gun shop to buy a new .22. the gun shop guy gave me a real telling off. So I came back with a "grown up" and Mom handed over the cash.

Now you just show them your gun licence, pay, and walk away with the gun. Hand guns are on a register.

Rick Lee 10-14-2020 06:41 PM

I went to the Phoenix PD gun "buy back" about 12 years ago. A local tv reporter was there and we chatted her up. She said she was terrified of guns and had never touched one. Yeah, that who you put on a story like that.

Alan A 10-14-2020 07:38 PM

GA beat by PA. I find that hard to believe.

fred cook 10-15-2020 02:56 AM

I know several people that have collections that number in the hundreds of guns each! It is not unusual for a local shooting enthusiast to have 40 or 50 handguns and/or long guns! Yep, their numbers are just a bad guess!

KFC911 10-15-2020 04:31 AM

When asked... I told "them" I had more than ten, but way less than Rick Lee.... haven't heard back yet :D.

masraum 10-15-2020 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 11065047)
In New Zealand rifles and shotguns aren't on any sort of register, so we don't have any idea of how many guns are out there.

In most of the US, there's no gun registration of any sort, and no license is required to buy a gun.


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