The most important groups are

1. Medical Professionals
2. People likely to have severe complications from COVID

The reasons should be obvious, but...We are trying to prevent a health crisus with sick professionals and the ICUs overfilled.

I understand putting police and firefighters into catagory #1. But I see that every minor official feels they should be in group 1.

The next people that should be vaccinated are "essential workers" and front line people. Teachers, cashiers (exposure) ; truckers and trasportation professionals, power generation and other infracstructurer workers.

Then it should be everyone.

Don't "count" on it. In the Moderna study, most (if not all) of the people who had the actual vaccine who then became infected, were between doses 1 and 2. The "Good News" was those that did contract COVID had mild symptoms.

Pfizer, second done after 3 weeks and full immune respone by week 4
Moderna, second dose after 4 weeks and full immune response by week 6.

I agree with the priorities, but if they aren't consuming the available supply, opening it up. The former should still recieve priority though. Shots in the arms on a widespread basis is the goal.... we'll get there. "Devil is in the details" seem to be getting resolved quickly here.

I just saw where 50% of our nursing home workers were refusing them though, but I think the residents' percentage is much higher.

People are stoooopid :(

Absolutely.... thanks!

The vast majority of people -without a vaccine- handle this virus with relative ease.

Of the people whom actually get this virus there is well over a 98% survival rate.

Yet, people talk about this virus like it's Ebola or some such. --They seem to enjoy spooking themselves and/or others.

Why do you keep down playing this virus as if it's no be thing? The nation's healthcare systems and it's workers are being stressed like never before. Have you seen what is happening in California hospitals? We're coming up to 400,000 dead and I know you doubt the numbers. You think the families of the dead are just spooking themselves?

It's not only a question of survival rate.
There are people who survive, but suffer a lot of symptoms even months after being discharged.

If nothing is done, and everybody pretends there's no need for any measures.. the impact would be much bigger.
The hospitals are already being pushed to the brink, and that is WITH measures taken to stop the spread.


I'm not worried bout myself getting the virus, but the main people i care about are 73 and 83. And my best friend who is my age but he had a kidney transplatn..
I can't afford to get the virus , because I don't want to infect them.
And IF i get it, I can't take care of the 83 year old with Alzheimer anymore.. She still lives alone, and she get's lonely if I don't visit her.

So yes, I'll get the vaccine as soon as I can.
Because i'm fed up with working at home since March last year.
I'm fed up having to read about people who keep breaking the rules and prolonging the entire ordeal.

Covid is real, but you know what's worse : how people have been dealing with it.
Self centered and stupid.

I received the first dose of Pfizer last Wed. Scheduled for second at the end of the month. NM seems to be doing a good job of getting people vaccinated quickly. I registered on the state DOH website in Dec and was notified a couple weeks later to book an appointment.

Some observations about the process:

I signed up through the CDC VAMS website for an appointment which texted me reminders and information. I am curious when they start rolling out to the older population how they will handle people who don't have a cell phone capable of this or are not tech savvy enough to get an appointment set up through a website.

The day after the vaccine, I received a text to fill out a survey about side effects that ranged from minor to major and whether it affected my daily activities. I think this will make it so we have more information on the effect of these vaccines over any other. In a normal situation, if you have a reaction you may never call your doctor if it is minor, the doctor may never call the company who made it or the FDA to report, the company representative may never report it to corporate and corporate may never report it to the FDA

^^^ I received the same regarding the appointment. They had a bold paragraph at the top for anyone that couldn't manage the online questions to call them.
How they would get this info to those without email...I don't know. Prob snail-mail.

I work in hospitals and imaging facilities all around the metro Phx area.
I maintain CT scanners and Nuclear Medicine systems.
There's an incredible amount of machinery and support equipment the front liners use in their daily occupations.
Who fixes/supports that equipment?
I'm within 10' of covid patients almost every day. And I'm certainly with 6' of the Technologists that scan those folks.

Quite frankly, I'm just the guy that fixes broken stuff. And by strict definition of the term, I'm technically not a HCP ( Healthcare Professional ). I've been curious how the state would rank me for getting it.

Turns out, I'm a front liner in their eyes, but not mine. ER personnel, EMS, Police and Fire Fighters are waaaaay ahead of me.

For a week after injection, I had a full daily log to fill out with multiple questions and detailing severity of symptoms. I still fill out a short form every week about changes in health and exposure.

My wife got her 1st shot last week and then stayed at the site to vaccinate ~ 65 state troopers and other nurses. She wants to get to 1000 by the end of the month. It's all volunteer but she likes to feel she is doing her part. She no longer works in a hospital but some of the nurses who work for her have hospital jobs and have seen the results of the pandemic first hand. Lots of dead people and many others with long term illness. It's nothing to take lightly.

The CFO at Jeffries bank died of Covid 19 while my son was working there. 56 years old.

Good for her! Tell her "Many, many thanks from Oklahoma!". Staffing can be a real bottleneck. It will only become more difficult when we are trying to give first vaccinations and the groups start coming up for their second.

As a nursing student, I am required to do a certain number of clinical hours in a hospital to get my license. With Covid, we are having a harder time getting in hospitals. I wish they would let me vaccinate for a day. Win-Win. I get 8-12 hours of experience and they have help with staffing issues. But no one asks me.

City of Houston ran a clinic at Minute Made park. Over 3000 doses given. The volunteers also received the vaccine.

My county, pop 120,000, gave out 1600 on Monday, and 1600 on Thursday. Sat was a half day at 600.

That was a special. Most of the Hospitals and manydrug stores are also giving injections. COH is trying to get to the people who are not near a pharmacy or hospital. Some of the volunteers were driving vans to collect people.

Texas is doing pretty well. California is terrible (if their reported numbers are correct)

Ohio is close to that.

The state's first phase of voluntary vaccinations includes: (Mid Dec)

-Health care workers and personnel involved with the care of COVID-19 patients
-Residents and staff members at nursing homes and assisted living facilities
-Patients and staff members at state psychiatric hospitals
-People with developmental disabilities or mental health disorders and staff members at residential facilities
-Residents and staff members at state veterans homes
-Emergency medical service workers

The second phase has not been rolled out yet from what I read but that's just based on Google searches for my county.

https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/2020/12/21/canton-stark-health-departments-accept-registration-vaccination/3998039001/

When my wife went to the location for her shot, she said she wanted to volunteer and they put her to work. I don't think they were very organized ahead of time but they formed up efficient groups and moved people through. I think nurses in general are used to just making things work when it needs to get done.
They had 2 groups in each drive through lane at the DMV. They needed one person to handle data, one to reconstitute the serum and one to give shots. There were other people helping out as well. I'm sure if you show up, you will find work to do.

Just saw where the NC gov is going to use our National Guard to assist with vaccinations. Using nursing students, etc. if they volunteer is a no-brainer too.

Thank you PGal :)!

Nat Guard were giving the vaccinations here in Abq at the location I went to. It's a all hands on deck need. Very nice of some folks to volunteer their time as well!

Usually the lawyers have the final say. To administer vaccinations there are matters of credentialing, memorandums of understandings, waivers, insurance, training verification, etc.

If look at post #13 you can see me getting my first shot by one of the medics at my Air National Guard base. Prior to getting the shot I not only had to be put on orders and identified as a Tier 1 individual, but there was a whole bureaucracy in transporting the vaccine 3 hours from Los Alamitos to my base. One example was the driver had to stop every 45 minutes and verify the temperature in the cooler transporting the vaccine was at the right temperature, record it in a log then continue on. You should hear what had to happen to get the vaccine INTO the cooler in the first place.

The Red Tape exists and is slowing the process down. For good or for bad? That may be a discussion best left for PARF.

Up here in Los Alamos it was discussed in this morning's weekly group meeting/webex that NM got more than it could handle and we seem to have some good freezers to fill. Very charitable. I suspect that we'll all be lining up soon - optional for us desk jockeys but anyone with emergency response or deployable DOE/NNSA accident recovery teams is absolutely required to get shot (I work with the radiographers that get to take a road trip if something somewhere goes bad).

My tinfoil-hat wearing Santa Fe Earth Mother counselor is still convinced of the Gates nanochips (and chemtrails, too). Nice enough lady but the woo is strong there.

My hospital system has given out over 10,000 in the last 3 weeks. We hope to ramp it up and give 1000 a day over the next week.

Still cannot get a schedule for my 93 YO father in law in NJ. They also haven't done all the assisted living residents.

My parents get stuck on Friday

The reported numbers are almost certainly not accurate, if we're talking rate of infection. I'm sure the real number is much higher. The death numbers in Los Angeles are through the roof...not as bad as NY last spring but something like 25 refrigerated semi-trailers parked outside the county morgue with more coming. Someone told me that Los Angeles is supposedly the most dangerous place on earth right now...not sure if that is true but it's out of control here.

I'm glad to hear that other places are doing better w getting people vaccinated, it's been a debacle here. I'm sure there will be hell to pay later for some officials but basically, they are at ~50% of the number of shots given out so far compared with goals. The whole tier approach totally is not working with many first responders not wanting the vaccine, (their right of course), extra doses that they have to scramble to distribute, etc. It's a joke.

As of tomorrow, Dodger Stadium parking lot goes from being a mass testing site to a mass vaccine site. I'm not sure how they are going to do it but I think they should just do first come/first serve with old people getting priority at the site like boarding an airplane. Anyone over 80 is in group A, over 70 in group B, etc. and they vaccinate as many people as humanly possible every day until it's done. Younger people would get doses every day but maybe have to wait until the old people go first and then they stick arms until the day's supply is used up. Everyday for a month or as long as it takes. I don't think the site would be packed w young people because most don't even worry about getting Covid.

I've been slightly ill this weekend, getting better but having a hard time finding an easy testing site. I'm going to work on it tomorrow. Last time, it was next day no problem at Dodger Stadium but the disease and the demand for testing has gone ballistic here.

I'm glad that you got a dose, we need to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible and it's a one-at-a-time deal. There may be some politics involved but what you are describing sounds more like the crazy protocols involved w keeping it at a super sub-zero temp as not to spoil it. It would suck to think you were vaccinated but the dose was spoiled.

I wish you good health.

Right now, Covid19 is not only the leading cause of death in California, (the most populous state by a mile), it is beating all of the other leading causes combined. But keep spewing your BS...god only knows why it makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

LOTS of middle aged and younger people dying, everyday.

Thanks Pal. We’ll all get there. Let’s hope things begin to cool off.

And over in NY they're throwing away doses because they went unused.
https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-covid-19-vaccine-trash-unused-doses-2021-1

We're getting the vaccine out to the States but the States seem to be doing a poor job of getting them administered. Early on there was talk of using the Military to help administer. I don't get why this wasn't done.

Something else, a family friend has a physical therapist coming to their home. The friend is in their late 70's. The physical therapist tells them they aren't getting the vaccine. I don't get how someone in the healthcare field even has an option.

So far my son and my wife have received the vaccine. My oldest daughter gets hers on Wednesday. Then it's just me and my youngest daughter doing without. I'm thinking I might sign up for a maintenance position at the local hospital. :D

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

I am surprised. I think the data is old because our local news is reporting more vaccinations than the CDC shows. I expect the distribution numbers are correct.

From the link.

"Healthcare providers report doses to federal, state, territorial, and local agencies up to 72 hours after administration. There may be additional lag for data to be transmitted from the federal, state, territorial, or local agency to CDC. A large difference between the number of doses distributed and the number of people initiating vaccination is expected at this point in the COVID vaccination program due to several factors, including delays in reporting of administered doses and management of available vaccine stocks by jurisdictions and federal pharmacy partners."

We can't have walk up vaccinations with no previous sign up. People will wait in their cars for 8 hours to get the shot. We have seen pictures of that happening.

States know by Tuesday how many doses they will receive for use the following week. They also know how many doses they have on hand. In Oklahoma they set up the scheduling portals and open up sign up on Wednesday evening. The state sends out emails to those eligible for that weeks sign up.. All slots fill within hours. If more doses are received than expected they add additional slots.

Slots are limited since Okla has only been getting 30,000 to 40,000 doses a week, about 1% of the population.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1610457168.jpg

Also, at the current time DOD has their hands full vaccinating their troops. They have 353,500 doses and 136,557 administered. I would expect them to have an easier time getting everyone vaccinated, though it will take some time.

States could, and have, used National Guard to assist. I am sure there are resources available.

I forgot!!!

They are holding 50% of the vaccine for second doses.

So, the 25M doses vs 8.5M given looks a lot better. Only 12.5M were available for 1st doses. That means the distribution is closer to 68%, with all of the reported delays. That looks a lot better.

That is correct, Red.

The next sign-up period for my county is a couple of weeks out. My mom spent all day last Fri. trying to call... we knew it was futile, but she tried. When they opened it up for online late Fri. evening, my niece got my parents in the queue (tomorrow). Every county is different here too.