Been on that road MANY times, it is treacherous at best. Almost as bad as the left hander above the Rock Store where "Nicky Mouse" hangs out waiting for bikes and hot rods to over cook the double reverse apex turn.

He gets big bucks on the wipeout footage there. No warning signs but a hell of a crowd. The State has done a lousy job on sign warnings and/or speed enforcement.

Tigger was in a hurry and paid the price. No sympathy here....no hunny for him says "Winny the Pooh"....:eek:

Ah, good eye!

I’ve driven that road many times. It’s not a steep curve. It could probably be navigated easily at twice the posted speed (alone with no other traffic). Even if he was speeding, I don’t think that would explain him hitting the median like that. He probably was distracted by something. Just super odd that he hit the median right at that spot in the road, right where it separates in that odd and misleading manner. I find this all too coincidental?

Maybe on Monday when I get back into town, I’ll take one of the cars thru that neck with the camera on.

Wayne

While I appreciate all you have done for us, Wayne, why do it? To me, the road doesn't appear very trivial.

As I said before, things like poor design bug me. My Dad (now 80 years old), complains about how the yogurt companies are constantly putting less yogurt into the same sized container - he even wrote them a letter about it. That's his thing, this is mine. :)

-Wayne

Turn around is for LEO

Poor design bugs me also. In CA each city must have a speed survey report updated every 5 or 7 years. This is needed if radar is to be used for enforcement. It was reported that the "accident" happened at the boarder between two cities Rolling Hills Estates and Rancho Palos Verdes. As a minimum the report will have the 85% speed for that road. If the road is long, there will be data taken for a number of segments. I looked for a report under the Rancho PV website but couldn't find anything. Now that two cities are mentioned I'll look under Rolling Hills Estates. I assume these are both cities and not just part of the county.

"It's the little details that are vital. Little things make big things happen."

-John Wooden

You all need to watch the Dead Man's Curve episode on Motor Trend's Autobiography. They toss out the theory of a maniac purposely designing an unsafe section of road.

Fits right in with this thread.

I found a 2014 Traffic Survey from Rolling Hills Estates. There should be an updated survey as they are near the 7 year limit so it could still be in process. Is this the segment where the accident happened? One could argue, as pointed out, that the speed limit should be posted as 40MPH not 45MPH. The fact that the 85% speed is 41MPH indicates drivers are not inclined to go faster than that. In other words if you are going 45MPH you are pushing it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1614434015.jpg

It is interesting that the Rolling Hills Estate sign was hit and is located a ways before the "gap" in the median. This indicates the driver went off the road well before getting to the "gap". I would say this implies the "gap" in the median was not the cause. The location of the sign is indicated on Google maps.

Here is a proposed path assuming Tiger took out the sign.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1614438663.JPG

He didn't take out that sign, he took out one on the other side of that gap in the road. It's not pictured in your photo. You can see what's left of the base (white) in Wayne's photo.

Okay, I couldn't find that in Wayne's photo. However, I think you are correct because the pictures of the broken sign show a sign with an irregular outline and not a plain rectangular shape.

See the white post, to the right of the green circle in this photo. That’s what is left of the support post. The sign is visible 100 yards down the road, laying near the curb. Just below that, in the picture, you’ll see a large oil stain where the car dumped the contents of its oil pan on the road.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1614441618.jpg

I guess that particular sign was installed after 2019 (Google map date). Not sure we will ever find out the root cause. E.g. distracted driving or driver lost control because of the curve. Phone records might show if he was on the phone at the time. Considering Tiger is a coordinated athlete, not being able to drive on a curve is unlikely. That curve could probably be easily taken at 80MPH or more. Having that turn-around break in the median is probably a contributing factor as Wayne points out.

Good link. Thanks. I think this is the best account so far.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva added that Woods was travelling 'at a greater speed than normal,' but did not specifically say he was speeding.

I don't see how the Sheriff knows this.. especially after saying 80MPH is common.

I'm just pleased he didn't kill anyone coming the other way.

And who really cares what dangerous drivers do to themselves.

You will be hard pressed to find someone driving that doing 80. That's down right reckless. I have done 60 on it in my 4 runner and feels like 50 on that road going over the hump. 50-60 is very common for folks there. I try to stay at 50 and not much more. Again, we will never know the real story.

I'm going to say, probably from the number of cartwheels it took to slow the vehicle down, the amount of dirt and vegetation that was displaced, and the distance of the debris found along the way.

He has probably seen it from the data recorder or whatever it's called with the time stamp of when the crash is known to have happened. I refuse to call it an accident... that's BS. He should dump Woods' phone and see if he was on it... texting or talking hands free... at the time of the crash.

"80MPH is common" does not mean a high percentage of drivers are doing 80 there... it's more like he meant to say "I see way more idiots doing 80MPH there than I would like... and when we clock 'em, we nail 'em."

Woods was going "at a greater speed than normal" most likely means "faster than most who speed in that section, but not enough over 45 to be given a citation."

Haven't seen any mention yet of another vehicle, but plausible to me that someone driving faster-than-posted who came across a slow-mover in the right lane could've overshot the pass. Especially on what looks like a downhill, off-camber, right sweeper.

I'd be interested to hear from those who know this stretch of road -- seem plausible?

This may have been discussed above... but should he be cited for any sort of crime? If nothing else, destruction of City property (the sign) maybe tearing up some landscaping. Failure to keep control of your vehicle? It doesn't seem quite right to have that sort of serious accident and have nothing officially recorded of wrongdoing. I guess I can go run over a city sign and say it was an accident.

Keep your pants on, he may still get cited for something. It likely will be a civil violation, not criminal.

See my post #33 of this thread.SmileWavy

That would be correct.
Mathew Brodrick, Rebecca Gayheart, them/they Jenner, etc the celeb list goes on and on involving real fatalities but light or no penalties.
Nobody else was involved, and who doesn't love Tiger.

Who are those guys or organization? Sadly, they are all overweight but the slightly smaller dude third to the right, front roll

Grounds crew at the Puerto Rico Open golf tournament.

Well since the Springsteen debate over his penalty it'll be interesting to see how Tiger is adjudged.

I think this highlights the worth of a good caddie to read the line and speed for you, either that or Tiger got the “Yips”.

Heard this morning they are looking into the various driver assist systems like lane departure.

Given that road there may be something to it as a contributing factor.

Coupla few years back was driving a rental around the Chinese Camp / North of Sonora area, winter so there was some sleeting and slick roads.

I'm one of those people that ignores lane markers when there is no one around me and will take natural lines as they come..

Anyway, the car is squirrelly as ****, really inconsistent feedback to the steering wheel which I chalked up to slick patches because of the conditions.

3rd day I realize the thing has lane departure enabled by default, turned it off, it drove "normal"

The tech was incompatible with my driving style and was constantly fighting me.

So if you put your turn signal on before changing lanes it cancels the robot?
Interesting (but I'm not interested)

What's a turn signal?

It's when you stick your arm out the window. These new cars are so smart they should know that

Had the same issue in Arizona mountain roads in a Nissan SUV rental. First issue was cars passing me like I was standing still with cruise set at 80. Turns out the car wouldn't go 80 because another car was 300 ft in front of me. Turned that off. Next issue was on winding mountain roads where it tried to steer for me. Nope, turned that off. Glad to see Porsche not jumping on the self driving band wagon.

Can you image the lawsuit for lost wages for Tiger?

This is a true story.

My brother runs the shop for the largest Toyota dealership in S. Florida.

Has an elder woman come in complaining that her auto steering was not working correctly.

??????

After some more conversation it turns out she was under the impression that auto braking and lane departure meant she could get out on I95, take her hands off the wheel and the car would "drive itself"

No Mam, that's not how any of that works.

There are many, many people that think that unfortunately.