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That's why the first thing out of a cops mouth when he suspects impairment in a driver is often "I detect the odor of alcohol on your person." That establishes the grounds for the next step, a sobriety test. |
Maybe he thought he was Lewis Hamilton? I've got those two mixed up before.
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Maybe he panicked. Maybe he had a medical emergency. |
No one here is a better driver than Tiger ... but only on a golf course! The inverse probably applies behind a steering wheel too...
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No doubt I have driven my cars a lot over many long years, but I have rented many cars, and driven a wide variety of cars, from three on the tree pickups, to new 911s on the track. No one but Tiger knows how he did it, but I would speculate he was on Ambien once again driving way to fast for conditions on a road he is not familiar with, in a rented car and likely texting or talking on the phone. First rule of driving should be hang up the damn phone and pay attention to the road and double the speed limit is not a good idea in any rental car on a unfamiliar road. He made several very bad decisions and they stacked up to bite him in the butt, or the leg in his case. It is a shame he screwed himself up, but he knows exactly who to blame. 100% his fault he crashed, and it was no accident. |
Strange things happen in a moment of panic.
I was in a collision in an intersection where the other driver panicked after the hit and mashed the gas pedal. She hit a pole head on and kept the pedal down spinning the tires. It was an old rear wheel drive car. |
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If that hill is as steep as has been described, I can see him coasting at that point with his foot off the gas. If he'd been tricked by the visual cue that Wayne suggested, from whatever might have distracted him, I can see him stomping his foot to the floor intending to brake and maybe missing the brake pedal. If he hit the gas pedal after wanting to hit the brake, I can see him keeping his foot on the floor, as people tend to do exactly that when they don't get the response they are expecting, and that explains the rest of the accident and why his right leg got broken. He was pushing hard with his right leg when he hit the tree.
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California’s “implied consent” law requires all drivers lawfully arrested for a DUI to submit to chemical testing to determine blood alcohol concentration (BAC) or the amount of drugs in the person’s system. For an arrest to be lawful, the officer who stops you must have probable cause to believe you’ve been driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. California’s “implied consent” law requires all drivers lawfully arrested for a DUI to submit to chemical testing to determine blood alcohol concentration (BAC) or the amount of drugs in the person’s system. For an arrest to be lawful, the officer who stops you must have probable cause to believe you’ve been driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. |
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I’m pretty sure he was conscious when he got to the ER, though. He was conscious at the scene.
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There were reports of him having lost consciousness when first found.
Regardless, he still would have had a BAC drawn in the ER. |
News flash, the dude was doing more than 85mph, thats a big ticket and a court date in the fly-over states, but hes a star, so he will probably have it dismissed..
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Thus, no ticket. As if a ticket would be remotely relevant at this point, considering his other problems. Not sure if making the haters happy is a thing. |
The speed can be calculated and estimated by the distances and damages. There are formulas.
If he was to argue against excessive speed, it would indicate a very extensive reaction time. That would work against any legal defense explanation I would surmise. |
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When I was brought to the trauma center for the bike/car accident that broke my femur, they wouldn't do anything until the blood draw was read. Then they did the nerve block. The pain went away immediately. |
None matters. Road conditions, curves, car.
Face it, Tiger's not a good driver. And he could have killed someone. Wonder if Michael Jordan drives himself or has a professional do the driving. When you're worth that much, and always have things on your mind, it becomes a necessity. |
I think if the car was floored, it had to have been by mistake and not intentional. I suspect if he had successfully hit the brake instead, there probably would not have been a wreck. Just because some of you say you’ve never hit the gas by mistake doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Being at fault for making a mistake is a lot different from deliberately going over 80 mph in a 45 zone. |
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He assumes Tiger deliberately went 84-87 mph. How do you square that with the gas pedal being 99% applied? Accidents happen and people make mistakes, except you, of course. He may have caused the crash, likely by hitting the gas instead of the brake, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake and an accident. I am caught up. Some here not so much. |
The articles gives his speed at the point where he "lost control." What point is that? When he crossed the line into the median? How fast was he going when he hit the gas? And where was that point, exactly? Could he have been going at a lesser speed when he panicked, then picked up some speed before he hit the median?
Etc. Don't draw too many conclusions from an incomplete picture of what happened. |
That’s what I was wondering in post# 114. Let’s suppose he was driving over 80 mph. That doesn’t jive with the accelerator at 99%. You’d think the police would have it all mapped out.
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It was a courtesy car. One he likely wasn't terribly familiar with. A slight distraction, surprised by the curve, go for the brake and miss. Easily plausible IMO. I know there are plenty of old farts here that can remember the Audi "unintended acceleration" debacle. :D |
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Bastards. |
I think some of you guys believe there should be some dramatic TV-style cop show crime lab investigation with DNA, animated graphics, a technician furiously typing away and bingo....instant answers and therefore instant justice.
None of that is going to happen. He crashed his car, will probably be done with making a living competing at golf, and there will be no dramatic news conference -> crime investigation -> trial -> Justice! The people who crashed due to speed are not the rest of society's problem. It's not as if the crashes were due to falling boulders, slippery pavement, ice, wildlife, locusts, Big Foot, or the summer solstice. If you drive like you need guardrails, then that means your life is an iffy thing from one day to the next. |
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Any moron can drive that road at 45 mph. How many of the 13 crashes in the past 13 month do you think were caused by excess speed? Maybe some 2 inch rattle bars would get those approaching the corner (and the edge of their talent) to pay attention for a moment.
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I just did a HPDE last weekend where they had a drill to mash the throttle for 250 ft or so and slam on the brakes to stop before a line. On my second go around, my foot slipped off the brake and I hit the accelerator instead before correcting myself, I stopped some 40 feet past the line.
I can't believe that a person could mistake the gas pedal from the brake pedal and accelerate all the way to 85 mph without being impaired. He is so lucky to have only injured himself. |
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Given that, there’s no telling where his right foot was, as that impact would have jarred his body considerably. It’s a little different from your HPDE experience, not withstanding the fact that you experienced your foot slipping off the break onto the throttle, likely because you were in a big fat hurry to stab the brake pedal. Of course, everything in this thread is just speculation for the most part, so we shouldn’t attempt to think we have a definitive answer. Lots of things can happen in a situation like this, there are a ton of variables. |
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Every car I have ever driven has a speedometer. They all have the accelerator pedal on the right, brake pedal on the left. There was a speed limit on that road. He was going about double the speed limit. He accidentally hit the gas instead of the brake and all of the sudden was going twice as fast as he should have been, that sounds reasonable, really. :rolleyes: |
I'm also surprised that a guy of TW fame and $$$ still drives himself around alone.
I know of people with far less money that have a personal driver. Image Tiger telling someone, sorry I'm late I couldn't find a place to park or I got lost. |
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I wonder when he last took ambien prior to crashing.
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It’s a reasonable question. Knowing what I know about Ambien, hopefully a very long time. I don’t understand why that crap is still on the market.
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Let's presume he was speeding (somewhere around 55-65). Not that unreasonable for a 45 zone.....we've all done it at some time. Running downhill, late for his TV shoot. Surprised by the curve, feels the car heading for the median. Go for the brake and get the gas...bang!....hits median.....car flies.....stab hard with the right foot (it was the heavily damaged leg)....car accelerates...loses oil.....engine may or may not have seized....crash into the trees. Speculation.......sure.......Possible......perhaps even reasonable. |
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This is despite the odd circumstances of this accident and his previous single-car crash in 2009 where he was found unconscious and snoring at the scene and his latter arrest for reckless driving in 2017 (He was cited with after he was found stopped in the road asleep and his tox screen showed Ambien, Vicodin and THC). Must be nice to be a celebrity. |
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