The road where Tiger crashed is defective! (my opinion - you be the judge)...

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by hcoles

Good link. Thanks. I think this is the best account so far.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva added that Woods was travelling 'at a greater speed than normal,' but did not specifically say he was speeding.

I don't see how the Sheriff knows this.. especially after saying 80MPH is common.

I'm going to say, probably from the number of cartwheels it took to slow the vehicle down, the amount of dirt and vegetation that was displaced, and the distance of the debris found along the way.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by hcoles

Sheriff Alex Villanueva added that Woods was travelling 'at a greater speed than normal,' but did not specifically say he was speeding.

I don't see how the Sheriff knows this..

He has probably seen it from the data recorder or whatever it's called with the time stamp of when the crash is known to have happened. I refuse to call it an accident... that's BS. He should dump Woods' phone and see if he was on it... texting or talking hands free... at the time of the crash.

Originally Posted by hcoles

especially after saying 80MPH is common.

"80MPH is common" does not mean a high percentage of drivers are doing 80 there... it's more like he meant to say "I see way more idiots doing 80MPH there than I would like... and when we clock 'em, we nail 'em."

Woods was going "at a greater speed than normal" most likely means "faster than most who speed in that section, but not enough over 45 to be given a citation."

[Flat Six]

Haven't seen any mention yet of another vehicle, but plausible to me that someone driving faster-than-posted who came across a slow-mover in the right lane could've overshot the pass. Especially on what looks like a downhill, off-camber, right sweeper.

I'd be interested to hear from those who know this stretch of road -- seem plausible?

[hcoles]

This may have been discussed above... but should he be cited for any sort of crime? If nothing else, destruction of City property (the sign) maybe tearing up some landscaping. Failure to keep control of your vehicle? It doesn't seem quite right to have that sort of serious accident and have nothing officially recorded of wrongdoing. I guess I can go run over a city sign and say it was an accident.

[javadog]

Keep your pants on, he may still get cited for something. It likely will be a civil violation, not criminal.

[Scott Douglas]

Originally Posted by Flat Six

Haven't seen any mention yet of another vehicle, but plausible to me that someone driving faster-than-posted who came across a slow-mover in the right lane could've overshot the pass. Especially on what looks like a downhill, off-camber, right sweeper.

I'd be interested to hear from those who know this stretch of road -- seem plausible?

See my post #33 of this thread.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by javadog

Keep your pants on, he may still get cited for something. It likely will be a civil violation, not criminal.

That would be correct.
Mathew Brodrick, Rebecca Gayheart, them/they Jenner, etc the celeb list goes on and on involving real fatalities but light or no penalties.
Nobody else was involved, and who doesn't love Tiger.

[TimT]

[look 171]

Who are those guys or organization? Sadly, they are all overweight but the slightly smaller dude third to the right, front roll

[SiberianDVM]

Originally Posted by look 171

Who are those guys or organization? Sadly, they are all overweight but the slightly smaller dude third to the right, front roll

Grounds crew at the Puerto Rico Open golf tournament.

[flatbutt]

Well since the Springsteen debate over his penalty it'll be interesting to see how Tiger is adjudged.

[Ngrich99]

I think this highlights the worth of a good caddie to read the line and speed for you, either that or Tiger got the “Yips”.

[stomachmonkey]

Heard this morning they are looking into the various driver assist systems like lane departure.

Given that road there may be something to it as a contributing factor.

Coupla few years back was driving a rental around the Chinese Camp / North of Sonora area, winter so there was some sleeting and slick roads.

I'm one of those people that ignores lane markers when there is no one around me and will take natural lines as they come..

Anyway, the car is squirrelly as ****, really inconsistent feedback to the steering wheel which I chalked up to slick patches because of the conditions.

3rd day I realize the thing has lane departure enabled by default, turned it off, it drove "normal"

The tech was incompatible with my driving style and was constantly fighting me.

[gregpark]

So if you put your turn signal on before changing lanes it cancels the robot?
Interesting (but I'm not interested)

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by gregpark

So if you put your turn signal on before changing lanes it cancels the robot?
Interesting (but I'm not interested)

What's a turn signal?

[gregpark]

It's when you stick your arm out the window. These new cars are so smart they should know that

[David]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Heard this morning they are looking into the various driver assist systems like lane departure.

Given that road there may be something to it as a contributing factor.

Coupla few years back was driving a rental around the Chinese Camp / North of Sonora area, winter so there was some sleeting and slick roads.

I'm one of those people that ignores lane markers when there is no one around me and will take natural lines as they come..

Anyway, the car is squirrelly as ****, really inconsistent feedback to the steering wheel which I chalked up to slick patches because of the conditions.

3rd day I realize the thing has lane departure enabled by default, turned it off, it drove "normal"

The tech was incompatible with my driving style and was constantly fighting me.

Had the same issue in Arizona mountain roads in a Nissan SUV rental. First issue was cars passing me like I was standing still with cruise set at 80. Turns out the car wouldn't go 80 because another car was 300 ft in front of me. Turned that off. Next issue was on winding mountain roads where it tried to steer for me. Nope, turned that off. Glad to see Porsche not jumping on the self driving band wagon.

[911 Rod]

Can you image the lawsuit for lost wages for Tiger?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by David

......Turns out the car wouldn't go 80 because another car was 300 ft in front of me. Turned that off. Next issue was on winding mountain roads where it tried to steer for me.....

This is a true story.

My brother runs the shop for the largest Toyota dealership in S. Florida.

Has an elder woman come in complaining that her auto steering was not working correctly.

??????

After some more conversation it turns out she was under the impression that auto braking and lane departure meant she could get out on I95, take her hands off the wheel and the car would "drive itself"

No Mam, that's not how any of that works.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

This is a true story.

My brother runs the shop for the largest Toyota dealership in S. Florida.

Has an elder woman come in complaining that her auto steering was not working correctly.

??????

After some more conversation it turns out she was under the impression that auto braking and lane departure meant she could get out on I95, take her hands off the wheel and the car would "drive itself"

No Mam, that's not how any of that works.

There are many, many people that think that unfortunately.