The road where Tiger crashed is defective! (my opinion - you be the judge)...

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

You assume a lot. How's that working for you?

IMO he's spot-on, so apparently it's working well.

[Steve Carlton]

Totally disagree. Here's what he said:

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Wrong.

You're ignoring the fact that thousands of drivers negotiated that stretch of road successfully and safely during that time.

Tiger was at fault, they know his speed. That's the cause of the wreck... it was not an accident... it was a wreck caused by him thinking he was entitled to go 84-87 MPH.

Personal responsibility... he has never demonstrated that he has much. Nor good judgment.

He caused the crash, not the road.

Try to keep up.

He assumes that because thousands of drivers handle that stretch of road, it's okay. 13 accidents in 13 months says something. Many on this forum agree it's a dangerous bit of road.

He assumes Tiger deliberately went 84-87 mph. How do you square that with the gas pedal being 99% applied? Accidents happen and people make mistakes, except you, of course.

He may have caused the crash, likely by hitting the gas instead of the brake, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake and an accident.

I am caught up. Some here not so much.

[javadog]

The articles gives his speed at the point where he "lost control." What point is that? When he crossed the line into the median? How fast was he going when he hit the gas? And where was that point, exactly? Could he have been going at a lesser speed when he panicked, then picked up some speed before he hit the median?

Etc.

Don't draw too many conclusions from an incomplete picture of what happened.

[Steve Carlton]

That’s what I was wondering in post# 114. Let’s suppose he was driving over 80 mph. That doesn’t jive with the accelerator at 99%. You’d think the police would have it all mapped out.

[Zeke]

PPOT = PP Obsessive Trivia.

[L8Brakr]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Totally disagree. Here's what he said:



He assumes that because thousands of drivers handle that stretch of road, it's okay. 13 accidents in 13 months says something. Many on this forum agree it's a dangerous bit of road.

He assumes Tiger deliberately went 84-87 mph. How do you square that with the gas pedal being 99% applied? Accidents happen and people make mistakes, except you, of course.

He may have caused the crash, likely by hitting the gas instead of the brake, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake and an accident.

I am caught up. Some here not so much.

I tend to agree with the accidental "hit the gas while going for the brake" theory. If the throttle had been at 99% for any length of time, would not the speed have been even higher (at the bottom of a long and steep incline in a vehicle with plenty of power)?

It was a courtesy car. One he likely wasn't terribly familiar with. A slight distraction, surprised by the curve, go for the brake and miss. Easily plausible IMO.

I know there are plenty of old farts here that can remember the Audi "unintended acceleration" debacle.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by L8Brakr

I know there are plenty of old farts here that can remember the Audi "unintended acceleration" debacle.

For sure. Never watched 60 minutes again.

Bastards.

[rusnak]

I think some of you guys believe there should be some dramatic TV-style cop show crime lab investigation with DNA, animated graphics, a technician furiously typing away and bingo....instant answers and therefore instant justice.

None of that is going to happen.

He crashed his car, will probably be done with making a living competing at golf, and there will be no dramatic news conference -> crime investigation -> trial -> Justice!

The people who crashed due to speed are not the rest of society's problem. It's not as if the crashes were due to falling boulders, slippery pavement, ice, wildlife, locusts, Big Foot, or the summer solstice. If you drive like you need guardrails, then that means your life is an iffy thing from one day to the next.

[L8Brakr]

Originally Posted by rusnak

I think some of you guys believe there should be some dramatic TV-style cop show crime lab investigation with DNA, animated graphics, a technician furiously typing away and bingo....instant answers and therefore instant justice.

Don't forget the 27 8 X 10 glossy color photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.........

[smadsen]

Any moron can drive that road at 45 mph. How many of the 13 crashes in the past 13 month do you think were caused by excess speed? Maybe some 2 inch rattle bars would get those approaching the corner (and the edge of their talent) to pay attention for a moment.

[Neilk]

I just did a HPDE last weekend where they had a drill to mash the throttle for 250 ft or so and slam on the brakes to stop before a line. On my second go around, my foot slipped off the brake and I hit the accelerator instead before correcting myself, I stopped some 40 feet past the line.

I can't believe that a person could mistake the gas pedal from the brake pedal and accelerate all the way to 85 mph without being impaired. He is so lucky to have only injured himself.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by L8Brakr

Don't forget the 27 8 X 10 glossy color photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.........

That’s George’s job. He’s been slacking off doing his job lately.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Neilk

I just did a HPDE last weekend where they had a drill to mash the throttle for 250 ft or so and slam on the brakes to stop before a line. On my second go around, my foot slipped off the brake and I hit the accelerator instead before correcting myself, I stopped some 40 feet past the line.

I can't believe that a person could mistake the gas pedal from the brake pedal and accelerate all the way to 85 mph without being impaired. He is so lucky to have only injured himself.

He may have accidentally hit the gas right before he hit the median. The impact with the median was probably pretty severe, when the car touched down on the other side it dumped its entire oil contents on the ground where it hit. That’s indicative of a pretty hard landing which can only be caused by a pretty hard initial hit to the median.

Given that, there’s no telling where his right foot was, as that impact would have jarred his body considerably. It’s a little different from your HPDE experience, not withstanding the fact that you experienced your foot slipping off the break onto the throttle, likely because you were in a big fat hurry to stab the brake pedal.

Of course, everything in this thread is just speculation for the most part, so we shouldn’t attempt to think we have a definitive answer. Lots of things can happen in a situation like this, there are a ton of variables.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by L8Brakr

I tend to agree with the accidental "hit the gas while going for the brake" theory. If the throttle had been at 99% for any length of time, would not the speed have been even higher (at the bottom of a long and steep incline in a vehicle with plenty of power)?

It was a courtesy car. One he likely wasn't terribly familiar with. A slight distraction, surprised by the curve, go for the brake and miss. Easily plausible IMO.

I know there are plenty of old farts here that can remember the Audi "unintended acceleration" debacle.

This is just silly.

Every car I have ever driven has a speedometer. They all have the accelerator pedal on the right, brake pedal on the left. There was a speed limit on that road. He was going about double the speed limit.

He accidentally hit the gas instead of the brake and all of the sudden was going twice as fast as he should have been, that sounds reasonable, really.

[URY914]

I'm also surprised that a guy of TW fame and $$$ still drives himself around alone.

I know of people with far less money that have a personal driver. Image Tiger telling someone, sorry I'm late I couldn't find a place to park or I got lost.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Tobra

This is just silly.

Every car I have ever driven has a speedometer. They all have the accelerator pedal on the right, brake pedal on the left. There was a speed limit on that road. He was going about double the speed limit.

He accidentally hit the gas instead of the brake and all of the sudden was going twice as fast as he should have been, that sounds reasonable, really.

I don’t think anybody is saying that at all. He was probably speeding, it didn’t look like that on video earlier in his drive, but maybe cars can pick up a lot of speed from the steepness of the grade there, I don’t know. I don’t think he hit the gas hard until he intended to hit the brakes. So by that point, he was going faster than he felt comfortable going.

[Tobra]

I wonder when he last took ambien prior to crashing.

[javadog]

It’s a reasonable question. Knowing what I know about Ambien, hopefully a very long time. I don’t understand why that crap is still on the market.

[L8Brakr]

Originally Posted by javadog

He may have accidentally hit the gas right before he hit the median. The impact with the median was probably pretty severe, when the car touched down on the other side it dumped its entire oil contents on the ground where it hit. That’s indicative of a pretty hard landing which can only be caused by a pretty hard initial hit to the median.

Given that, there’s no telling where his right foot was, as that impact would have jarred his body considerably. It’s a little different from your HPDE experience, not withstanding the fact that you experienced your foot slipping off the break onto the throttle, likely because you were in a big fat hurry to stab the brake pedal.

Of course, everything in this thread is just speculation for the most part, so we shouldn’t attempt to think we have a definitive answer. Lots of things can happen in a situation like this, there are a ton of variables.

Agreed....and a more thorough synopsis than my original post.

Let's presume he was speeding (somewhere around 55-65). Not that unreasonable for a 45 zone.....we've all done it at some time. Running downhill, late for his TV shoot. Surprised by the curve, feels the car heading for the median. Go for the brake and get the gas...bang!....hits median.....car flies.....stab hard with the right foot (it was the heavily damaged leg)....car accelerates...loses oil.....engine may or may not have seized....crash into the trees.

Speculation.......sure.......Possible......perhaps even reasonable.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Noah930

There was a BAC done at the hospital. That's a standard part of any blood panel obtained on an unconscious MVC trauma patient in the ER. Whether the police are able to access it or not is a different matter.

The LEO declined to look at it as they were confidant it was not necessary even though he told investigators he does not remember driving and thought he was actually in Florida. The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Dept said that they lacked the “probable cause” to obtain approval from a judge for the necessary warrant.

This is despite the odd circumstances of this accident and his previous single-car crash in 2009 where he was found unconscious and snoring at the scene and his latter arrest for reckless driving in 2017 (He was cited with after he was found stopped in the road asleep and his tox screen showed Ambien, Vicodin and THC).

Must be nice to be a celebrity.