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Hmmm, this is interesting
Did the FBI dig up tons of civil war gold?
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/emails-reveal-fbi-excavation-civil-war-era-gold-lawsuit-over-hundreds-millions Emails Reveal FBI Excavation For Civil War-Era Gold In Lawsuit Over "Hundreds Of Millions" In Disputed Booty Tyler Durden's Photo BY TYLER DURDEN WEDNESDAY, MAR 10, 2021 - 20:40 Did the FBI make off with 'seven to nine tons' of Civil War-era gold in a Pennsylvania forest after a treasure hunting duo led them to its long-hidden location? A father-son team wants to know, and has successfully sued for access to government emails about the dig. Here's what we know, according to the Associated Press. On march 13, 2018, treasure hunters Dennis and Kem Parada, who co-own the treasure-hunting outfit Finders Keepers, led FBI agents to a location in "Dent's Run," located approximately 135 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. The Paradas had spent years looking for the long-lost booty, an 1863 shipment of Union gold, which was either lost or stolen on its way to the US Mint in Philadelphia. The FBI brought in geophysical consulting firm, Enviroscan, to survey the hilltop site, where their gravimeter identified 'a large metallic mass with the density of gold," according to Warren Getler, a consultant who worked closely with both the FBI and the Paradas. An FBI agent told them the location of the mass was “one or two feet off Denny’s sweet spot,” recalled Getler, author of “Rebel Gold,” a book exploring the possibility of buried Civil War-era caches of gold and silver. “Then I went to ask how big is it. And he said, ‘7 to 9 tons.’ And I literally said, ‘You’ve got to be kidding!’” That much gold would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars today — and, assuming it was there, would almost certainly touch off a legal fight over how to divvy up the spoils. -AP The FBI says they found nothing at the site, while Enviroscan co-founder Timothy Bechtel said the FBI told him to keep his mouth shut about his findings. FBI dig site at Dent's Run, 2018 The Paradas, meanwhile, say the FBI struck a deal to let them watch the site excavation - only to confine them to their car for most of the two-day dig, only to escort them to a "large, empty hole" at the end of the second day. The emails are quite revealing. In one, an assistant US attorney in Philadelphia, K.T. Newton, wrote in an email marked "Confidential,": "We believe the cache itself is in the neighborhood of 3x5x8 (feet) to 5x5x8." Since the Elk County site was on state-owned land, the FBI had to secure a federal court order to gain access. The legal maneuvering generated emails between Newton and Audrey Miner, chief lawyer for the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. On March 13, as FBI agents clambered up a hill to the target, Miner bluntly asked Newton: “Can you please provide the basis upon which the Office of the United States Attorney asserts that the gold, if found, belongs to the federal government?” Newton replied that a federal affidavit in the case was sealed. She instead offered to “discuss this generally with you on the phone,” according to email records released by the state under court order. -AP Yet, on March 16, 2018 - two days after the dig ended, US Attorney Newton told Audrey Miner, chief lawyer for the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources: "we are all disappointed and scratching our heads over the several scientific test results." In a subsequent March 28 email, Miner asked Newton for an update on the federal investigation, writing that "the gold story still has legs, and the DCNR is now getting a lot of ‘gold-diggers’ interested in Dent’s Run," to which Newton replied: "For your knowledge only ... we have no other scientific evidence, other than what the excavation had been based on, that any gold is hidden in that area." Miner replied: "I guess you can’t come right out and state there is no gold to be found at Dent’s Run?" to which the prosecutor replied: "Unfortunately, we cannot." On Wednesday, the Paradas plan to hold a news conference, where they will present claims that include residents reportedly hearing a backhoe and jackhammer overnight "when the excavation was supposed to have been paused," and seeing a "convoy of FBI vehicles, including large armored trucks." "I gotta find out what happened to all that gold," Dennis Parada said last week, adding that the FBI's claim to have found nothing was "a slap in the face." Cluck, meanwhile, is still pursuing government material on the case — nearly 2,400 pages, as well as video files, that the FBI has promised to turn over in response to his Freedom of Information Act request. All documents in the federal court case about the dig remain sealed. For that reason, a state appeals judge recently declined to order the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources to give Cluck the federal writ of entry and seizure warrant that the FBI agents relied on to gain access to the site. -AP In a curious development which may shed some light on what's to come, a Commonwealth Court Judge, Kevin Brobson, wrote in a footnote of a Jan. 28 opinion rejecting Cluck's petition for more information, that the name of the sealed case is: "In the Matter of: Seizure of One or More Tons of United States Gold."
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Tyler Durden is such a credible source...
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It is interesting, but very complicated. Common law allowed the finder of of a "tresure trove" to keep it. However, this law has been extensively modified. There is a Federal Archeological Resources Protection Act, which gives the federal gov't ownership of pretty much any human related thing found on federal land that is more than 100 years old. This law does not likely apply as the Dent Run site was the property of the state of Pa.
The law in Pennsylvania is not so clear. The primary case is In Re Rodgers, which dates to 1948. Rodgers involved a find of cash hidden in a house. The lower court ruled prior to a trial that treasure trove did not apply and the property belonged to the state. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania reversed and ruled that a) they were explicitly not determining the status of treasure trove in Pa., and that b) in any event, if the owner of property was "knowable" as opposed to unknown, the property remained the property of the owner subject to escheat under Pa. law. Here, it appears that it is undisputed that the gold in question was Union gold in transit, and was either lost or stolen. In either event, the owner of the gold is the US government and the owner is "knowable" and thus under the current state of Pa law it belongs to the federal government. Escheat cannot be applied by a state against federal property, so that point is moot. Long story short, while the actions of the feds here might appear questionable, they were most likely legal and the gold is theirs.
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Shoot the messenger, or click on the link and see his source is AP, with a link to AP.
https://apnews.com/article/fbi-looking-for-gold-pennsylvania-dig-site-9b6b5fc3f7550ba30edbca0845e911ce
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It’s almost like the FBI isn’t the most forthcoming and ethical of organizations.....
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Sounds like the feds plan on giving zilch reward to those who did all the legwork and exploring. No surprise there, eh?
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