China's first aircraft carrier

[stevej37]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/watch-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-124600959.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

J-15 fighter landing.

Liaoning CVBG, allegedly filmed from stalking USN Warship
(via weibo @洋务先驱张之洞) pic.twitter.com/pdsEr5VM7Z

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[look 171]

Good for them but sad that they have the tech and the know how to do this.

[KNS]

Their navy is larger than ours too.

China, which has territory far from the arctic, is buildings scores of new icebreakers (as is Russia). The US has two ancient icebreakers, only one of which is seaworthy.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

What's worse is they have over 30% of the world's renewable energy patents and they keep inventing new technology like the U.S. did in the 40s through 60s. We will be left behind as the great innovator soon.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

What's worse is they have over 30% of the world's renewable energy patents and they keep inventing new technology like the U.S. did in the 40s through 60s. We will be left behind as the great innovator soon.

arguably already have been.

[look 171]

I used to look down on China jsut about everything they do only because the memories of my first visit over 25 years ago when they first opened up to western tourist. It was like any typical 3rd world countries. This time around (two summers ago), oh my, the changes and advancements was astonishing. I see the planning for the future kept on going. Infrastructures, expansion of cities, getting able bodies out of the country side to be productive in cities. Massive building as far as my eyes can see. We took the train across the country and its none stop building of homes and factories.

I am wondering if there's any pulling back for them? I got talking to one of my guides there. He's was a history professor and does private English tours during the summer. He talked of their younger generation that are hungry for higher education, jobs and a better life. Us on the other hand, are worry about our skin color and if we can call each other he she it or whatever the fook. If we don't shape the hell up soon, we are going to be calling them Uncle Sam. I worry sick for my 13 and 15 year olds.

[Seahawk]

Here is the deal, we have been through this a number of times: Remember the Japanese buying everything in the 80's.

Probably not.

The Chinese have no patents, do not respect the patent process in this or any other country. If you think they do, then steal them just like the Chinese do.

Simple. When the Chinese respect my companies patents (we have three), I'll respect theirs. We do not do business with the Chinese companies. They steal everything of intellectual value.

The Chinese want access to oil and raw minerals, food and hay (they buy a lot of coal and hay from us). Their growth in the Spratly Island chain has been well know for a long time, as is their interest in a blue water Navy...besides India, the first in the region.

Biden had a shot at making this an issue as VP for eight years. He, unfortunately, chose to monetize his position for family gain.

BTW, China isn't as big as you think. Let this sink in:



Lastly, when the Chinese start flying off their boats at night, in big seas, then we have a problem.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Biden had a shot at making this an issue as VP for eight years.

In 20 years we've had three presidents and three vice presidents who have failed to fix the problem.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

In 20 years we've had three presidents and three vice presidents who have failed to fix the problem.

Since Nixon...this is a bipartisan kicking of the can down the road: I just get tired of the Biden is going to fix this bravo sierra.

My guess? China is going to make Biden look tough before the mid years.

The Navy has been on this for a long time since they are going to bear the brunt of the fight, should it come.

South Korea, Japan, India and Australia should all have world class, blue water navies, they all decided not to.

The Aussies and India have excellent capabilities, no doubt, but this will be a long distance fight for them should it come.

This is not Argentina and the Falklands, folks.

[beatnavy]

Ok, they landed a plane on a carrier on a nice bright, clear day. God bless the US Navy that has done complex wartime tempo carrier group operations for decades. In all kinds of weather. In real combat. That experience is earned, not stolen.

I do wonder: how many years before we need to decide if American men (and women) are going into combat to defend Taiwan? When is China going to 'go for it?' If it's Biden in the oval office at the time, what does he do?

[Neilk]

Originally Posted by Seahawk View Post
Biden had a shot at making this an issue as VP for eight years.

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

In 20 years we've had three presidents and three vice presidents who have failed to fix the problem.

Let's not forget Mitch McConnell whose wife has very important interests there as well.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by beatnavy

I do wonder: how many years before we need to decide if American men (and women) are going into combat to defend Taiwan?

I forgot Taiwan: They should also have a blue water Navy. I flew with them, taught them how to land on the back of their Frigates. They need to step up and get serious.

Flying off boats is a hobby to most navy's.

Who flies off boats at night, Alex, for a 1000?

[rusnak]

China will invade their neighbors first.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Since Nixon...this is a bipartisan kicking of the can down the road: I just get tired of the Biden is going to fix this bravo sierra.

Maybe he won't, but he's got the best plan anyone has come up with so far.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Maybe he won't, but he's got the best plan anyone has come up with so far.

Which is what, exactly?

No google searches, just what you think his plan is.

[911boost]

Biden has a plan?

Hahahahaha

Wait, what were talking about again?

[wdfifteen]

^^
He said several times during the campaign that instead of pissing off our allies and taking on China alone we will engage the cooperation of our allies to get China to change it's behavior toward the US and rest of the world. At the meeting in Alaska in February he backed it up when Blinken put a spear in the sand and told China we aren't effing around with them any more. He isn't changing Trump's policies except to give them some actual teeth by abandoning Trump's US-alone policy and engaging our allies in pressuring China to change.

[fanaudical]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/chinas-new-aircraft-carrier-is-in-same-league-as-us-navys-ford-class/

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

^^
He said several times during the campaign that instead of pissing off our allies and taking on China alone we will engage the cooperation of our allies to get China to change it's behavior toward the US and rest of the world. At the meeting in Alaska in February he backed it up when Blinken put a spear in the sand and told China we aren't effing around with them any more. He isn't changing Trump's policies except to give them some actual teeth by abandoning Trump's US-alone policy and engaging our allies in pressuring China to change.

Jeezus, that sounds like a schoolteacher talking to a bunch of 12-year olds. The Chinese take the ultra long-term view. They don't give a rat's ass about who's not effing around, Trump, Biden, or spears in sand. They have the view that today's sacrifices are a link in a thousand year chain.