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Crowbob 05-11-2021 09:12 PM

It seems to me, intermittent fasting is actually how humans have always behaved either by choice or by circumstance until very, very recently. Intermittent fasting was the norm for thousands and thousands of years.

Bill Douglas 05-11-2021 10:54 PM

I'm long and lean.

I believe in the opposite. I eat constantly and BIG meals, And drink quite a lot :rolleyes: I'm guessing I don't put on weight because my body feels there is no need to store fat as another meal is just around the corner.

vash 05-20-2021 07:34 AM

wow.

I cannot be sure, but I think I lost 6-8lbs in 3 weeks. not that I am fat :) remember I did this so my wife doesn't eyeball me with daggers-eyes when she is hungry and I am eating a big bowl of stew covered noodles in front of her. I felt it would best help her, if I temporarily join the program.

(my stomach just growled loudly!)

masraum 05-20-2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11328929)
It seems to me, intermittent fasting is actually how humans have always behaved either by choice or by circumstance until very, very recently. Intermittent fasting was the norm for thousands and thousands of years.

That's one of the things that Dr Fung talks about when he promotes intermittent fasting. Not only does he talk about that "it's always been like that," but he also gets into the bodies reaction and the science. And in addition to the practical part that you mention (times without food or less food or needing to find food), he also talks about the fact that pretty much every world religion has promoted fasting for, potentially, hundreds or thousands of years. "We"'ve been fasting for all of history, until relatively recently when refrigeration and preservation got to be so cheap and available that much of the world can eat whatever, whenever and often as much as they want.

masraum 05-20-2021 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 11337815)
wow.

I cannot be sure, but I think I lost 6-8lbs in 3 weeks. not that I am fat :) remember I did this so my wife doesn't eyeball me with daggers-eyes when she is hungry and I am eating a big bowl of stew covered noodles in front of her. I felt it would best help her, if I temporarily join the program.

(my stomach just growled loudly!)

Yep, you'll almost certainly loose some weight. It'll probably be more initially and then slow down some. With total fasting, it's usually average .75# per day, so 2-3# per week.

gregpark 04-04-2023 05:35 PM

48 hours in now.
I was hungry yesterday and at noon today but not now. I've done 24 hours several times before and decided to go for more, 72 hours this time for a deep tissue body cleanse. Drinking lots of water

cstreit 04-04-2023 05:58 PM

Recurrent diverticulitis has forced me too unwillingly. I've found I eat less all the time...

...whats weird is that it makes me crave sugar and vegetables.

Being lean is good though... ...you don't see many overweight 90 year olds.

gregpark 04-04-2023 06:07 PM

I quit sugar about 4 months ago. I had no idea how addicted to it I was and was shocked at how hard it is to avoid. Seems like they put sugar in everything

Crowbob 04-04-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 11964670)
I quit sugar about 4 months ago. I had no idea how addicted to it I was and was shocked at how hard it is to avoid. Seems like they put sugar in everything

So true! It seemed to help when I stopped grocery shopping at the Dunkin'.

cantdrv55 04-04-2023 06:58 PM

I cooked a Chinese dish recently and left out the sugar. It just didn’t taste right but my blood sugar didn’t spike.

masraum 04-05-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 11964670)
I quit sugar about 4 months ago. I had no idea how addicted to it I was and was shocked at how hard it is to avoid. Seems like they put sugar in everything

Yep, everything. It's shocking how much. That's part of the reason that people love Chick-fil-A. I swear it's so sweet that it's like candied chicken.

Also, for folks that eat gluten-free, that stuff usually has more sugar than the comparable gluten-full items.

mjohnson 04-05-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11965332)
Yep, everything. It's shocking how much. That's part of the reason that people love Chick-fil-A. I swear it's so sweet that it's like candied chicken...

If I want candy chicken, I'm off for some General Tso's - extra chiles on the side please. Cold, it's one of the best breakfasts on earth IMHO.

After the initial work-from-home pandemic "let's eat everything all the time" I dropped 20# in 18 months. It turns out that skipping the usual three-a-week New Mexican bacon green chile breakfast burritos does have some benefits...

stevej37 04-05-2023 05:10 PM

^^^ skip that for the Taco Bell Chipotle Ranch Grilled Chicken Burrito.
It's only $2

Rick Lee 04-05-2023 06:31 PM

I've been on non-miltant keto for a month or so, had a colonoscopy last week and didn't really crave too badly during the prep. I had sugar-free Jello, Gatorade and chicken broth and it wasn't that bad. I splurged for the post-op meal and it was glorious. But I'm back to keto and not really missing anything other than the toasted bun with burgers.

Crowbob 04-05-2023 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11965695)
^^^ skip that for the Taco Bell Chipotle Ranch Grilled Chicken Burrito.
It's only $2

I second that emotion.

I was a skeptic. But they’re good. Buy two. It saves you from waiting in the drive-thru line a second time.

deckard 04-05-2023 07:03 PM

i eat food with a lot of preservatives in it so that i'll last longer

juanbenae 04-05-2023 07:58 PM

WTF? Has it always gotta be about Cliff?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1132206-anyone-here-fast.html

gregpark 04-06-2023 09:33 AM

Ended my 3 day fast last night, I lost 7lb.s. Since avoiding sugar several months ago I'm down 30lbs. Definitely have more energy and in general feel much better. New leaf, now I'm going intermittent and only eating between noon and 8pm

Evans, Marv 04-06-2023 10:07 AM

I've been doing the noon to 8pm routine now for a few years and as of right now don't feel hungry in the mornings - usually. The big thing with me is keeping the urge for sweet things down. I've reduced my sugar intake by a huge amount and allow myself a "treat" ocassionally, but in the back of my mind the sweet urge is always there. As someone said before, it's a huge, addictive thing I (& probably most of us) didn't realize was a factor. The motivatiing thing other than loosing 10+ pounds (mid 170s to mid 160s) was the reduction of my A1c from 6.6 to 5.9. Every time I'm tempted to jam something like a few donuts into my mouth, I think of that.

gregpark 04-06-2023 10:35 AM

Since I consciously omitted sugar from my diet, anything even remotely sweet is almost overpowering. Raisins, dates, fruit, whatever. After months, I finally lost the craving. I still miss bread, pancakes, etc. which all convert into sugar of course. Haven't given up occasional alcohol though, gotta draw the line somewhere

Baz 10-30-2023 02:32 PM

Pretty good thread worth a bump - especially coming into the Winter and Holiday feasting season......

Paul T 10-30-2023 02:38 PM

Thanks for the reminder….I need to get back at it.

Dixie 10-30-2023 02:42 PM

My idea of intermittent fasting is having lunch 30 minutes late.

masraum 10-30-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 11966262)
Ended my 3 day fast last night, I lost 7lb.s. Since avoiding sugar several months ago I'm down 30lbs. Definitely have more energy and in general feel much better. New leaf, now I'm going intermittent and only eating between noon and 8pm

It's a little late for your post, but, when you fast, it's a lot like taking a diuretic. I don't remember the reason (I've read it somewhere) but your body starts dumping fluid.
THere's a Dr (MD, endocrinologist, I think that primarily treats diabetes and obesity with fasting). According to him the average is to lose about 3/4# of weight per day fasting. You'll see more (like your post above) but most of that is water which will go right back.

So if you fasted for 72 hours, you probably lost 2-3# of weight and the other 4-5# was water weight which will go right back. But it's still a good way to go about it, and besides the weight loss, there are still a slew of other benefits.

Evans, Marv 10-30-2023 08:42 PM

My wife & I have been intermittent fasting for maybe three years now - eating between 12 & 8. We usually finish eatiing prior 7 in the evenings. It has become a normal eating schedule for us. Occassionally we'll eat breakfast if pancakes for something strike out fancy, but having food in our stomachs feels strange at that time. I wantd to do it for the "alternate" benefits & wasn't concerned with losing weight. However I have lost about ten to twelve pounds, & it has been off for probably two years. I now really prefer the eating schedule.

gregpark 10-31-2023 01:17 AM

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After and before almost a year later. From an unhealthy 256 lb.s back to my high school weight of 182 (which I'm maintaining effortlessly now). I'm 69 but feel young again. Basically, I quit eating just 3 things: Sugar, all processed foods and breakfast.

Coincidentally, my motorcycles and bicycles seem to have gotten faster and handle better!

KFC911 10-31-2023 02:18 AM

I dropped 30lbs since early July .... I don't fast .... I eat slow and less... and just burned it off...

Back down to my "playing weight" .... still can't dunk a b-ball though :D

Gravity sucks ;)

Yep ... 183 a few minutes ago.... keeping track keeps me here....

Paul T 10-31-2023 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 12121815)
I dropped 30lbs since early July .... I don't fast .... I eat slow and less... and just burned it off...

Back down to my "playing weight" .... still can't dunk a b-ball though :D

Gravity sucks ;)

Yep ... 183 a few minutes ago.... keeping track keeps me here....

Awesome work! Keeping track is key....I've been weighing myself weekly for a few years now and track in an app, this way when things start to veer in the wrong direction I can make adjustments. That said, still need to lose some....been lazy last few months.

Evans, Marv 10-31-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12121800)
[img]http:/After and before almost a year later. From an unhealthy 256 lb.s back to my high school weight of 182 (which I'm maintaining effortlessly now). I'm 69 but feel young again. Basically, I quit eating just 3 things: Sugar, all processed foods and breakfast.

Coincidentally, my motorcycles and bicycles seem to have gotten faster and handle better!

Congrats! The difference is definitely noticeable. Bet you don't plan on going back. If I had dropped 74 lbs from my former weight, I'd be down to 103 lbs.

gregpark 10-31-2023 12:27 PM

Thanks. Nope, never going back. Feels like I'm reverse aging. Worked 10 hours a day my whole life until 10 years ago when I cut it to about 6. Now I'm back working 10 hours again no problem. There's a bunch of really smart doctors on you tube I've been following. Steven Gundry, Sten Eckberg, Robert Ludwig, etc. Doctors are always changing their minds about what's good or bad but these new thinking guys seem to be on the same page about sugar and the importance of gut farming the bios

Baz 10-31-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12122184)
Thanks. Nope, never going back. Feels like I'm reverse aging. Worked 10 hours a day my whole life until 10 years ago when I cut it to about 6. Now I'm back working 10 hours again no problem. There's a bunch of really smart doctors on you tube I've been following. Steven Gundry, Sten Eckberg, Robert Ludwig, etc. Doctors are always changing their minds about what's good or bad but these new thinking guys seem to be on the same page about sugar and the importance of gut farming the bios

I think you meant Robert Lustig, Greg.

Hey thanks for posting your comments. Very cool and much respect your way!

I'm 69 as well and kinda going through the same thing. The whole reason I bumped this thread is during a routine echo cardiogram on Monday, I asked the tech what he did to stay fit. I normally don't go around sticking my nose in other people's business EXCEPT while interacting with those in the health care industry.

This guy was no youngster but was very fit - as in Daniel Craig level fit. So I picked his brain. He response to me....."intermediate fasting and exercise".

Then he said something to the effect that he was reading now that intermediate fasting has an adverse effect on (something). Not sure what it was - should have written it down, I guess.

I already know I'm not eating properly and also need to up my game on exercise and activity. Going to do more digging on fasting too.

Appreciate everyone's comments here!

gregpark 10-31-2023 04:55 PM

Oh yeah, Lustig. Sorry Doc. The more you learn the more amazing the facts are. We've been eating right for hundreds of thousands of years until about 60 years ago when we started eating wrong

masraum 10-31-2023 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Evans, Marv (Post 12121763)
My wife & I have been intermittent fasting for maybe three years now - eating between 12 & 8. We usually finish eatiing prior 7 in the evenings. It has become a normal eating schedule for us. Occassionally we'll eat breakfast if pancakes for something strike out fancy, but having food in our stomachs feels strange at that time. I wantd to do it for the "alternate" benefits & wasn't concerned with losing weight. However I have lost about ten to twelve pounds, & it has been off for probably two years. I now really prefer the eating schedule.

Very nice!
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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12121800)
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After and before almost a year later. From an unhealthy 256 lb.s back to my high school weight of 182 (which I'm maintaining effortlessly now). I'm 69 but feel young again. Basically, I quit eating just 3 things: Sugar, all processed foods and breakfast.

Coincidentally, my motorcycles and bicycles seem to have gotten faster and handle better!

Wow, OUT-FARGIN-STANDING! That's really fantastic! You look great, and it's good to hear that you feel the difference too.
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 12122412)
This guy was no youngster but was very fit - as in Daniel Craig level fit. So I picked his brain. He response to me....."intermediate fasting and exercise".

Then he said something to the effect that he was reading now that intermediate fasting has an adverse effect on (something). Not sure what it was - should have written it down, I guess.

You may find some interesting stuff in here. This guy has written books, but I swear if you follow the links, my guess is that you probably get most of the info from at least one of his books. He's a Dr with several clinics that seems to focus on the treatment of obesity and diabetes.

Jason Fung, M.D., is a Toronto-based nephrologist (kidney specialist) and a world leading expert in intermittent fasting and low-carb diets.

Some of these entries below are really short, and some are longer. Some get into the technical details about various hormones and other things that the body does if you fast and if you don't fast. He talks about benefits for women as well as guys. He talks about fasting and what that does for exercise and muscle mass and weight loss and brain function. Every once in a while I want to go back and read some of this stuff, so I finally compiled the list of links so I can refer back to them, but it will also allow anyone that's interesting to pick and choose based on the general topics where I've added them.

https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-a-history-part-i/ - history
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-physiology-part-ii/ - physiology overview
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-and-growth-hormone-physiology-part-3/ - hgh
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-and-lipolysis-part-4/
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-myths-part-5/ - myths
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-regimens-part-6/ - intermittent fasting
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/longer-fasting-regimens-part-7/ - longer fasting
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/the-ancient-secret-of-weight-loss-fasting-part-8/ - more history
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/caloric-reduction-vs-fasting-part-9/ - vs caloric reduction dieting
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/women-and-fasting-part-10/ - women and fasting
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/feasts-and-fasts-the-cycle-of-life-fasting-part-11/ - feast and fast
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/practical-fasting-tips-part-12/ - practical fasting tips
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/more-practical-fasting-tips-part-13/ - more tips
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/the-fasting-advantage-part-14/ - "pros"
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/ - fasting and muscle mass
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-lowers-cholesterol-fasting-16/ - cholesterol
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-and-hunger-fasting-17/ - hunger
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/cephalic-phase-response-fasting-18/ - cephalic phase response
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/circadian-rhythms-fasting-19/ - circadian rhythms
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/refeeding-syndromes-fasting-20/ refeeding syndrome
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/obesity-solving-the-two-compartment-problem/ - obesity
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/the-biggest-loser-diet-fasting22/ - the biggest loser diet
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-and-exercise-fasting-23/ - fasting and exercise
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-brain-function-fasting-24/ - fasting and brain function
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-and-autophagy-fasting-25/ - fasting and autophagy
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/power-comparison-fasting-vs-low-carb-fasting-26/ - power
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/difference-calorie-restriction-fasting-fasting-27/ - fasting vs caloric restriction
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/youre-always-hungry-fasting-28/ - why you're always hungry
https://blog.thefastingmethod.com/fasting-ghrelin-fasting-29/ - fasting and Ghrelin

Baz 10-31-2023 06:57 PM

Awesome - thanks, Steve.

Great thread, as I said!


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