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SCadaddle 06-22-2021 10:59 AM

I thought years ago I had read on this forum, maybe it was another, that the first step in eviction is to go and "make a change/repair to the front door" by removing it and then only replacing it when the tenant moves out?

asphaltgambler 06-22-2021 11:32 AM

Might've been me, my uncle had a fair amount of SFH's scattered around. He owned, managed all of them directly as it was part of his business. One particular family refused to pay ontime, refused discussions about bring past rent current, refused to leave.
So he gave them short notice in writing that he needed to replace the old windows / doors. Had his handyman show up, removed the front/ rear doors and all the windows..............when it was still cold outside. They didn't stay too long after that

Esel Mann 06-22-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 11368975)
yeah, and this rent crisis happened under president trump, and capitalism.

Resident forum bottoms-gimp, yes there is no denying the rent crisis has a political flair to it.

However notice that everyone else is able to discuss this all the while circling the political toilet bowl rim without actually falling into the bowl!

You stumble in and fall right straight into the bowl lol.

Atta-(insert however you identify here)!!!!!

thor66 06-22-2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 11368754)
Want to hear about my day ? I text my tenant, and tell her, that we are listing for sale next week and that the real estate agent will need to get in to take photographs and that I will also be needing access to the property to start to clean up and take care of some things.
She says " aint nobody coming in this motherf%$ing house "
My house, I cant go there, and cannot send professionals down there . Cannot evict, cannot sell. Housing authority offices are closed to the public, and several weeks of phone calls an emails have been unanswered .
who do I call ? I am all alone here. Even as a seasoned landlord, this is extremely frustrating, and honestly , its starting to really piss me off . I am close to my breaking point , and getting ready to take drastic action .
Someone has to step in and stop this madness . I hope and prey they lift this moratorium .
The only silver lining I have is that the clerk at the magistrate told me today , that the buzz around the office is that the moratorium will be lifting at months end
I will be involved in any law suits brought against our supreme leaders when the time comes .

Don't you have keys?

If they changed the locks they have to give you access on notice. If they don't, go in with a door buster and while armed. Tell them to sue you if they don't like it.

tabs 06-22-2021 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Esel Mann (Post 11369360)
Resident forum bottoms-gimp, yes there is no denying the rent crisis has a political flair to it.

However notice that everyone else is able to discuss this all the while circling the political toilet bowl rim without actually falling into the bowl!

You stumble in and fall right straight into the bowl lol.

Atta-(insert however you identify here)!!!!!

Every morning at 8AM the same thing happens to me , stuff fallout of my azz when I sit on the toilette seat..falling straight into the bowl...

look 171 06-22-2021 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Esel Mann (Post 11369360)
Resident forum bottoms-gimp, yes there is no denying the rent crisis has a political flair to it.

However notice that everyone else is able to discuss this all the while circling the political toilet bowl rim without actually falling into the bowl!

You stumble in and fall right straight into the bowl lol.

Atta-(insert however you identify here)!!!!!

Now, that funny. You made my day reading that.

Now what do you guys think the real solution is to getting rid of this dead beat? I am going to start with the paper work as soon as it lifts only if I can legally do so. I need to rent this to some nice USC students. The ones that live on the other side are female laws students from Brazil. Pays on time, have jobs and never a problem. Yes, before you ask, they fit that description of the Brazilian women at the beach, blond and surfs too. Dirty old bastards.

tabs 06-22-2021 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 11369300)
the accusation was made by tabs that workers not being able to pay rent was somehow a problem with socialism.

just pointing out, that it was capitalism, under trump, that caused the problem.

i didn't make the comment, tabs did. dont come for me for tabs unnecessary comments.

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT...The shut down DUE TO CV was the causation of the shutdown of the economy resulting in the loss of employment where large numbers of people were unable to pay their rents. The govt in order to maintain CIVIL ORDER of not have large numbers of homeless people..opted for a RENT MORATORIUM so that people could continue to have a home.

The shut down has nothing to do with Socialism or capitalism.. The SOLUTION for better or worse was Socialistic with rent, mortgage, credit card, car and student loan moratoriums. Along with sending stimulus checks to everyone and enhanced unemployment.. Was it necessary to help support people under those circumstances..if the govt did not take the action that it did...a huge number of people would be homeless and hungry today leading to the instability of civil unrest. Also the help given kept the economy from completely seizing up. It put some money in peoples pockets..

It is what it was and is..with out value judgement being placed. Even Kudlow the revaunchist capitalist was talking socialistic solutions..So the US has arrived at being a Socialist nation with a whimper and not a bang..

fastfredracing 06-23-2021 08:10 AM

Local real estate attorney just told me , Id just be wasting my money . She gets the same call 10 x a day , and until they lift the moratorium.... Stuck.
So , when do I take MY property back ?
We are now entering month # 7 , she aint leaving . Think they will prosecute if I steal the doors and windows? Id smash em all out, every fking one of them on the first floor. then just replace with new. It will increase my property values , then, I will just ignore the calls and texts, just like the tenants, and government has done to me
Im getting closer to coming unglued.
When does it end? Id be right in that angry mob of landlords if it ever formed and engaged in mostly peaceful tenant removal

cockerpunk 06-23-2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 11369506)
NO I DID NOT SAY THAT...The shut down DUE TO CV was the causation of the shutdown of the economy resulting in the loss of employment where large numbers of people were unable to pay their rents. The govt in order to maintain CIVIL ORDER of not have large numbers of homeless people..opted for a RENT MORATORIUM so that people could continue to have a home.

The shut down has nothing to do with Socialism or capitalism.. The SOLUTION for better or worse was Socialistic with rent, mortgage, credit card, car and student loan moratoriums. Along with sending stimulus checks to everyone and enhanced unemployment.. Was it necessary to help support people under those circumstances..if the govt did not take the action that it did...a huge number of people would be homeless and hungry today leading to the instability of civil unrest. Also the help given kept the economy from completely seizing up. It put some money in peoples pockets..

It is what it was and is..with out value judgement being placed. Even Kudlow the revaunchist capitalist was talking socialistic solutions..So the US has arrived at being a Socialist nation with a whimper and not a bang..

are you really defending a system that if we didn't shut down, and 3-6 million people died of covid19, that would be a success?

coivd19 currently has about a 2% lethal rate, thats with a healthcare system in intact and not overwhelmed, and with as good of treatments as we can handle after 1.5 years of treating it. had covid19 overwhelmed the healthcare system (as it did in for example, italy) without the shutdown, easily 3-6 million americans would be dead. 3 million is about 1%, and 6 million is assuming the current 2% lethal rate.

so, your straight up saying that we need to sacrifice 3-6 million americans, holocaust magnitude numbers of dead, and that is capitalism? and that is success? and that is what would take to keep capitalism successful?

you are a horrifying person tabs. that is simply a horrifying position to hold. if capitalism can't survive a pandemic, then thats capitalisms fault. not socialisms.

GH85Carrera 06-23-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 11370165)
Local real estate attorney just told me , Id just be wasting my money . She gets the same call 10 x a day , and until they lift the moratorium.... Stuck.
So , when do I take MY property back ?
We are now entering month # 7 , she aint leaving . Think they will prosecute if I steal the doors and windows? Id smash em all out, every fking one of them on the first floor. then just replace with new. It will increase my property values , then, I will just ignore the calls and texts, just like the tenants, and government has done to me
Im getting closer to coming unglued.
When does it end? Id be right in that angry mob of landlords if it ever formed and engaged in mostly peaceful tenant removal

It is just unreal that "they" have simply stopped a business and with no laws to really back it up. And of course the "they" is the government that is supposed to provide equal protection under the laws.

Fred, at this point, call your local councilman or commissioner or whatever the local government setup is. Then call your state representative, and your state senator. Then a letter to the governor and to the US congressman, and senator.

Send an analog paper letter to all of them. Then a letter to the local TV stations and newspaper. Make some noise. Do it while you are mad and tell it like it is.

It might be a total waste of time, but maybe, just maybe you will find some other landlords that will do the same.

craigster59 06-23-2021 10:52 AM

Remove all the windows. When the legal eagles question you, just say you had planned on replacing them but due to COVID there are no windows available, all on backorder. "Ooops, my bad. I should have checked inventory first".

Then screw plywood over all the windows and leave it like that.

Esel Mann 06-23-2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 11369485)
Now what do you guys think the real solution is to getting rid of this dead beat?

Honestly, the first step would be to spend a coupla hunna for an hour of advisement from an attorney that is a specialist in landlord/tenant issues in your area. The door/windows 'enticement' idea is clever and funny, and likely doable, BUT, I would guess that one would need to do things by the book to ensure you do not then wind up in trouble. The attorney would advise you if such is possible or not and if possible how to do so without it coming back on you.

Once the deadbeats are out, I highly recommend that for the next tenant, demand first, last, and deposit up front. No exceptions. If there are any pets (and if you allow such) also demand a pet deposit. While nothing in this universe is 100% certain, this has served me very well in weeding out potential problem tenants.

rusnak 06-23-2021 01:22 PM

I thought they had to pay like 10% to 15% or something like that. She paid NOTHING? Did she receive gov't money? Do they require rent be paid if someone receives the money? Did you apply for $$? There are a lot of things to look into other than just waiting for her to move.

look 171 06-23-2021 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Esel Mann (Post 11370388)
Honestly, the first step would be to spend a coupla hunna for an hour of advisement from an attorney that is a specialist in landlord/tenant issues in your area. The door/windows 'enticement' idea is clever and funny, and likely doable, BUT, I would guess that one would need to do things by the book to ensure you do not then wind up in trouble. The attorney would advise you if such is possible or not and if possible how to do so without it coming back on you.

Once the deadbeats are out, I highly recommend that for the next tenant, demand first, last, and deposit up front. No exceptions. If there are any pets (and if you allow such) also demand a pet deposit. While nothing in this universe is 100% certain, this has served me very well in weeding out potential problem tenants.

I don't rental laws in PA so I can go off what I know here in paradise (for the homeless).

Fred, I would strong arm my way in for an inspection or repairs that maybe needed. Have your people go in and take photos for the sales along with you so for the annual inspection of your property. Again, you must find out about your rental laws before you proceed. Please don't come unglue, because it will come back and bite you in the ass, hard. With this no eviction BS, laws are stacked against owners.

look 171 06-23-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11370516)
I thought they had to pay like 10% to 15% or something like that. She paid NOTHING? Did she receive gov't money? Do they require rent be paid if someone receives the money? Did you apply for $$? There are a lot of things to look into other than just waiting for her to move.

Many out there received some form of gov funds that goes towards rent but ended up keeping it for themselves or buy a big screen TV because they are stuck at home anyway. My one tenant paid absolutely not a fooking dime and I know he still had a job at full pay. There aint aiht we can do about it but wait. I suspect he will be there for another 12 months if this lifts by July due to court back up and everything else. If he files for bankruptcy, that will extend for another 6 months on top of that.

thor66 06-23-2021 04:38 PM

so, you know he still had a job at full pay ----> have you talked to his boss?

SCadaddle 06-23-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11370337)
Remove all the windows. When the legal eagles question you, just say you had planned on replacing them but due to COVID there are no windows available, all on backorder. "Ooops, my bad. I should have checked inventory first".

Then screw plywood over all the windows and leave it like that.

Unfortunately, I would imagine the plywood over the windows wouldn't last more than a few hours in this economy. Just sayin...

Now that I think about it, I had a conversation with a friend a few weeks ago about deadbeat renters etc., he said the one time he owned rental property and had a deadbeat renter he wanted to get rid of, he simply transferred ownership of the property to his Dad by a quitclaim deed. That ended the rental contract since he no longer owned the place. Once the deadbeat renter was out, his Dad quitclaimed the property back to him.

A930Rocket 06-23-2021 05:51 PM

I imagine if you took out the windows and replaced them with plywood, you would be violating code as far as egress goes in certain areas, such as bedrooms.

Maybe leave only one window in each bedroom. Cover the rest.

That said, I would have a hard time not going in there and beating them to a pulp.

look 171 06-23-2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thor66 (Post 11370713)
so, you know he still had a job at full pay ----> have you talked to his boss?

Yeah I know his boss and really well too. What's my friend to do? Its illegal to take his pay for my rent money.

look 171 06-23-2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 11370780)
I imagine if you took out the windows and replaced them with plywood, you would be violating code as far as egress goes in certain areas, such as bedrooms.

Maybe leave only one window in each bedroom. Cover the rest.

That said, I would have a hard time not going in there and beating them to a pulp.

As much as we all want to do that, we have to cool our jets and think about this thoroughly and what the law allow and not allow us to do. Out here, its a real touchy subject because they have these lawyers who work for the poor so they can nail us to the wall and take everything we got. They are no dummy and know the game very well.


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