mRNA vaccine inventor speaks out, YouTube deletes video discussing risks

[Aurel]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19#:~:text=A%20National%20Institutes%20of%20Health ,benefit%20to%20hospitalized%20patients. Found to be equally effective.

Like I said, HCQ alone is not sufficient, but part of the solution when used in combination with other drugs.

Listen to an expert on the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU02mdnoNws

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Baz

OK thanks, guys.

Doesn't seem fair to me, but what do I know?

Maybe this is SOP.

A quick history.

Back in the olden days, 70's and 80's, the vaccine manufacturers were being buried in lawsuits over side effects. We know that any vaccine can have it's own series of problems, from minor to serious, though the risk of the vaccines were much smaller then the risk from the disease.

The drug manufacturers said screw it. Isnt worth our effort to develop, test, and distribute the vaccines and then fight multiple lawsuits so they slowed development. It was either that or expect far higher vaccine costs to cover the explosion in lawsuits. The government stepped in and passed the law limiting liability over those side effects to keep the drug manufacturers in vaccine development. The government also put together the payout systems. Though their effectiveness is questionable, at best.

The covid vaccine, currently under an EUA, was given the same vaccine protection under the PREP Act as the fully authorized vaccines.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

The covid vaccine(1), currently under an EUA, was given the same vaccine protection under the PREP Act as the fully authorized(2) vaccines.

(1) Which vaccine? AFIK only one is an actual vaccine and the rest mRNA modifiers.
(2) Approved by the FDA, or "authorized" whatever that means?

(You confirmed the government is accepting all liability. Thank you.)

[Sooner or later]

Vaccine Types
There are several different types of vaccines. Each type is designed to teach your immune system how to fight off certain kinds of germs—and the serious diseases they cause.

When scientists create vaccines, they consider:

How your immune system responds to the germ
Who needs to be vaccinated against the germ
The best technology or approach to create the vaccine
Based on a number of these factors, scientists decide which type of vaccine they will make. There are several types of vaccines, including:

Inactivated vaccines
Live-attenuated vaccines
Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines
Subunit, recombinant, polysaccharide, and conjugate vaccines
Toxoid vaccines
Viral vector vaccines

https://www.hhs.gov/immunization/basics/types/index.html

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Vaccine Types
There are several different types of vaccines. Each type is designed to teach your immune system how to..—

And that is where the article and the medical system, however vast and authoritative, go very wrong.
mRNA is not a "vaccine".

In the traditional sense a vaccine is an inert form of an agent presented to the bodies immune system so that it might develop it's own response to a foreign cell.
The body creates it's own response. That is the important part. It is a natural process of being taught..

In mRNA, the cells of the body are forcibly penetrated and the genetic code structure changed by invasion through a foreign process. That is the same way a virus or other disease attacks and kills cells. This actually changes the identity of the original cell itself. Change into what, no one is still sure of because they are all still considered experimental (you didn't answer the question so I did).

One only has to look back at the Thalidomide trials to find out what genetic experimentation can lead to.
There are already many reports of deaths, illness, Tay-Sachs sterility, and other complications from the vaccines. Pregnancies and SIDS will be another issue.
Modern children already have half the sperm count, mental changes, and substantially greater autism probably from plastics.

How will the statistics turn out? Who will pick up the tab? What changes will arise with the next generation? We don't know, because they are still experimental.

An analogy can be made with plants:
Herbicides might be applied to the outside, some plants might die, but most adapt and build up a resistance. The herbicide washes off afterwards. All is good and natural.
But in the case of Roundup the plants become a GMO because it's own cells are engineered to absorb glyophophates and store them internally.
The plant itself becomes part herbicide. Which we then eat.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by 911_Dude

This is anti-vax BS. mRNA vaccines are safe and a huge advancement of medical tech. Dont listen to this crap.

[Sooner or later]

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using the mRNA delivery system.

The Novavax vaccine is a subunit vaccine that is in widespread use in a Hepatitis B vaccine . Even though the delivery method has been in use for years the Novavax vaccine will be considered as experimental if granted EUA.

There have been past EUA use approvals. Tamiflu for infant use for H1N1. Other EUA have been granted for anthrax, ebola, enterovirus, H7N9 influenza, and Middle East respiratory syndrome medications or devices.

Once the Modena, Pfizer, Novavax vaccines are given full authorization (biologics license) none will be considered experimental.

[thor66]

Originally Posted by Aurel

Listen to an expert on the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU02mdnows

you think a cardiologist is an expert on THIS topic?

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using the mRNA delivery system.

A detail, but an important one. MRNA is not a delivery system. Describing it as such is either your misunderstanding or your attempt to mislead. Rather it is a man-made genetic code that delivers nothing other than itself. Once taken into the cell it causes the production of an unnatural (not naturally produced) protein.

But alas, you are the expert.

[Sooner or later]

System

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744276/

Another important category of mRNA delivery system...

[Chocaholic]

From your article…

Vaccines based on mRNA and DNA focus on the ways to deliver genetic materials encoding antigen candidates into the host cells.

[Aurel]

Originally Posted by thor66

you think a cardiologist is an expert on THIS topic?

He has been treating more COVID patients than Fauci ever will, so yes, he is an expert, a real one who practices what he talks about.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

From your article…

Vaccines based on mRNA and DNA focus on the ways to deliver genetic materials encoding antigen candidates into the host cells.

Better?

"The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using mRNA or the mRNA delivery system."

[Sooner or later]

What would it mean if I said:

"Gasoline delivery syatem. "

[Chocaholic]

It would mean you don’t understand the subject matter.

Think for a minute. What exactly is the mRNA delivering? Based on your example...the delivery system would be the syringe.

Still confused?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

It would mean you don’t understand the subject matter.

Think for a minute. What exactly is the mRNA delivering?

Gasoline delivery system.
What exactly is gasoline delivering?

Gasoline or mRNA are not delivering anything.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using the mRNA delivery system.

And yet here you are, referring to the mRNA delivery system.

Perhaps it’s Saturday evening or I just don’t suffer fools very well at my age.

[cabmandone]

Isn't the mRNA what is delivered? It's the instructions for the cell to create the spike protein.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Isn't the mRNA what is delivered? It's the instructions for the cell to create the spike protein.

Exactly. Please explain that to our expert.

[cabmandone]

He's not the only one to refer to it as the mRNA delivery system
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744276/

I suppose that technically it's the lipid delivery system but you can find others who refer to it as the mRNA vaccine delivery system.