This....

Yep, that's possible (that the driver really was changing lanes and just didn't expect or see the biker).
But we don't know that for sure.
I had the same initial thought that you did, that the guy in the SUV thought, "Eff you motorcycle, dude. You can't do that and I'll stop ya!"

The thing is, none of us know. The reality could very easily have been either way. We do know for a fact that a 19 yo kid on a motorcycle made a very poor judgement call and is now no longer around. Also, now a man with a family has to live with what he did, and his kids are almost certainly going to have to live with it too.

Sucks all around.

Those kids now understand that the world is a dangerous place and their dad loves them enough to protect them. If I had to stop an assailant to protect my family I would sleep much better than not being able to protect them and have nightmares as I watched them get hurt. The assailant made a bad mistake and paid for it. I hope that others will learn from his lesson.

Don't pull a gun and approach someone in a threatening manner. If you need to pull a gun, it's because you need to shoot them ASAP to keep yourself and/or someone else safe, right now, not later.

Don't, if you feel like it, teach someone a lesson or correct their behavior on the road. It's tough sometimes, but don't do it. Let it go, it's not worth it, unless you're an actual cop.

While it's pretty obvious you are only be facetious, you have actually stumbled upon something here. You are more right than you know. We do, indeed, have a certain subset of Americans who do just as you describe - they resort to firearms to settle what are, to the rest of us, quite minor disputes. We have discussed this in a number of recent threads.

The murder rate among this group is far, far higher than it is among the rest of American society. The rate of gun violence among this group is far, far higher than it is among the rest of our population. Many would assume that this group, this subset of American society, would have to be ignorant gun totin' red necks. They would, of course, be quite wrong. This group is comprised of young black men of the ages from around 15 to 30 or so. They shoot at and murder one another at a rate wildly disproportionate to their numbers. And they do so for reasons that are entirely unjustifiable to the rest of us. That is exactly what went down here...

A young black man feels he was slighted in some way and turns immediately to his gun. It's a story that plays out in our black inner city neighborhoods every day, day after day after day. It's reached the point that we never even hear about it on the news, in spite of the fact that our black inner city neighborhoods generate a combined couple of dozen such incidents per day.

The only reason this one came to our attention is because the circumstances were a bit outside of their established norm. It didn't go down in some black inner city ghetto (of their own making), and the perp did not target one of his own. So the rest of us took notice. Otherwise it would have never been reported.

So, yeah, this level of gun violence happens every day, several times every day, right here in America. But it does not happen among responsible gun owners. It does not happen among law abiding gun owners. It happens, with monotonous regularity, amongst a certain demographic - young inner city black men. No one else behaves this way. There is something dreadfully wrong with these people, as demonstrated daily by their propensity to reach for a gun as their first answer to any sort of a slight, real or perceived.

So, no, this is in no way life in America because of guns - it's life in inner city black America, because of inner city black Americans.

Amazing how many folks need anger management....I know 2 guys that went through a 1 yr court ordered anger management course, one guy it helped tremendously the other, not at all.
Tim

I don't think this has anything to do with anger management. This is a cultural issue. One that we need to address, the sooner the better. There is a very narrow demographic that has demonstrated itself to be prone to this behavior, and pretending that all of us are susceptible, or are contributing to these statistics, is not going to help us solve this problem. We need targeted action on this issue with this demographic, not anger management classes for individuals unable to control their tempers. That's a separate issue entirely. These people encourage one another to behave in this manner - like I said, it's a cultural issue within a very narrow demographic.

Serious question, are you being sarcastic?

You are not wrong about gun violence happening within many inner cities but to say that is only where the problem lies is just patently false.

This and that it's only confined to black people. Someone needs to tell all of the people shooting each other in Los Angeles, predominantly Latino, that they are not black and to cut it out. :rolleyes:

You make it sound more fun than it really is.

To say this about what I said is just patently false. Nowhere did I even hint that is only where the problem lies. The problem is, however, much, much more pronounced in this demographic than it is in any other. By several fold.

Nowhere do i say this is "only confined to black people". I did say that the incidence rate among them is dramatically out of proportion to their population. We are discussing a young black man who pulled a gun in response to a situation wherein most of us would not have done so. I was commenting in that context.

A few years back my wife and I were pulling out from a local restaurant and admittedly I failed to properly judge the speed of an oncoming car. He had to slam on his brakes and then proceeded to tailgate me with his brights on and swerving around behind me. He was pissed and I clearly understood why. Anyway he passed me flipping me off and thought that would be it. Well we came to a four way stop and he was in front of me. At the stop he exits the car and starts walking toward us. Instinctively I went into protect my wife mode. I got out of the car while thinking what my next move would be as far as taking this guy to the ground and maybe giving him a little beating. Once he saw me exit my car he stopped, lifted his shirt to show me the handgun he had in his waistband. This was a young, WHITE kid in a small town who was willing to potentially kill someone over a traffic dispute, one that I wholeheartedly admit 100% accountability about. It was unnerving to say the least. I put my hands up and retreated to my car. It’s not worth it to get in these road rage scraps.

Interesting discussion, I looked up some stats. What the FBI and govt. stats say:

US homicide offenders by race, 1980–2017[51]

According to the FBI, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%, and "Other" 3.0% in cases where the race was known.[52] Among homicide victims in 2019 where the race was known, 54.7% were black or African-American, 42.3% were white, and 3.1% were of other races.[53][54]

The per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly six times higher than that of whites, and the victim rate is a similar figure. Most homicides were intraracial; where the perpetrator's race was known, 81% of white victims were killed by whites and 91% of black or African-American victims were killed by African-Americans.[54]


51 Justice, National Center for Juvenile. "Crosstabulations of Known Murder Offenders". www.ojjdp.gov. Retrieved September 27, 2020.
52^ "Expanded Homicide Data Table 3: Murder Offenders by Age, Sex, Race, and Ethnicity, 2019". FBI.gov. 2020. Retrieved March 21, 2021.
53^ "Expanded Homicide Data 2019". FBI.
54 ^ "Expanded Homicide Data Table 6: Race, Sex, and Ethnicity of Victim by Race, Sex, and Ethnicity of Offender, 2019". FBI.gov. 2020. Retrieved March 21, 2021.

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Why isn't CNN covering this ?

Nice anecdotal story, but your example of one means nothing in the face of this:

Emphasis added in case you skimmed past that part. Six times higher than that of whites.

There is a problem here that many are simply unwilling, or unable, to acknowledge. The leading cause of death among young black men is other young black men. Yet there remain far too many apologists, far too many who remain in denial. Putting a "black lives matter" sign on the lawn or bumper sticker on the car isn't going to fix this.

"Afro-Americans" ARE Americans. no?
to distinguish based upon colour? - there's a word for that: racist. :)

Ah, the old racist card.

African Americans,
Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans,
Greek Americans,
Arab Americans, the list is virtually endless.

It is a description of the person. Like height, weight, eye color and so on. It is not racist to mention the ethnicity of a shooting victim, and mention he was carrying a gun in a threatening manner as he approached the shooter.

Very sad. We see the same thing here.
I wonder if he was holding his gun sideways for that "sexy" look?
Got to look good.