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island911 07-21-2021 07:49 AM

They each built their own effn rocketship and blasted towards space. And even returned safely. - childhood fantasy stuff brought to life.

No wonder the Neil Tysons are green with envy... lashing out about sour grapes.

GH85Carrera 07-21-2021 07:53 AM

I wonder how long before they have a tourist rocket that gets into orbit and does a few laps around the world before reentry. Lots more complexity and LOTS more energy and speed involved.

No doubt Musk will join the Billionaire space club soon and his rockets can get to the space station.

masraum 07-21-2021 07:58 AM

I saw something on the 'Net where someone commented something like "don't these guys (speaking of Bezos and Branson) realize that most of us hate them and wish them ill?"

I just really don't get that. I wouldn't call them astronauts, but I think what they've done is super cool.

I guess those are the same folks that key a nice car just because.

Crowbob 07-21-2021 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 11398368)
He's an Astronaut in the same way a club racer is a Race Car Driver.

Yep.

Tervuren 07-21-2021 12:18 PM

Personally I see it as displaying a lot of confidence in a product to go yourself.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...FC-6100114.jpg

vash 07-21-2021 01:11 PM

just cuz you cook it in a skillet doesnt make it a flapjack.

they are space travelers..astronauts, seem to be better at physics and stuff :)

MikeSid 07-21-2021 01:13 PM

Other than the renewed interest in space exploration (which I think is great), I don't really understand all the fuss.

From a strict technological standpoint, any number of private aerospace companies could have achieved the same feat.

So, honest question, other than the controlled return and landing of the rocket, did they do anything that wasn't already achieved by mankind over 50 years ago? Is the achievement simply that it was done privately? If so, that seems pretty insignificant given the number of private contractors involved in Apollo 11.

So what exactly was achieved here other than simply riding the giant beanstalk planted on May 15, 1997?

gordner 07-21-2021 01:22 PM

Perhaps the first two hobbyist astronauts in history.

masraum 07-21-2021 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 11399312)
just cuz you cook it in a skillet doesnt make it a flapjack.

they are space travelers..astronauts, seem to be better at physics and stuff :)

Thanks, I'm going to steal that.

masraum 07-21-2021 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordner (Post 11399323)
Perhaps the first two successful hobbyist astronauts in history.

FIFY


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655
Quote:

'Mad' Mike Hughes dies after crash-landing homemade rocket

A US daredevil pilot has been killed during an attempted launch of a homemade rocket in the Californian desert.

"Mad" Mike Hughes, 64, crash-landed his steam-powered rocket shortly after take-off near Barstow on Saturday.

A video on social media shows a rocket being fired into the sky before plummeting to the ground nearby.

Hughes was well-known for his belief that the Earth was flat. He hoped to prove his theory by going to space.

Saturday's launch was reportedly filmed as part of Homemade Astronauts, a new TV series about amateur rocket makers to be aired on the US Science Channel. The project had to be carried out on a tight budget.

With the help of his partner Waldo Stakes, Hughes was trying to reach an altitude of 5,000ft (1,525m) while riding his steam-powered rocket, according to Space.com.
Launching yourself towards space may be one of those things that gets better and more successful, the more money you have. It's just a theory, but....

Norm K 07-21-2021 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordner (Post 11399323)
Perhaps the first two hobbyist astronauts in history.


How could you have forgotten ...


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1626903439.jpg

Joe Bob 07-21-2021 02:24 PM

The original Mercury program astronauts had to fight for a window in the capsules that they were going to "pilot" despite hardly any input beyond holding on for the ride. NASA engineers considered them as live cargo.

Sooner or later 07-21-2021 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11398947)
I wonder how long before they have a tourist rocket that gets into orbit and does a few laps around the world before reentry. Lots more complexity and LOTS more energy and speed involved.

No doubt Musk will join the Billionaire space club soon and his rockets can get to the space station.

Axiom, 10 day trip to the space station. I believe it is scheduled for January.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/10/axiom-space-and-nasa-detail-first-fully-private-human-launch-to-the-space-station-set-for-january-2022/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2 xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA-fLW-VIZeI6R2KZTS_z1iJYQIvNTrZzrIiThxhmP2Cd36kP5dviTAnZ QIEtXj2q4X9_mT6IJlf9DL0okAGyh5C6m0M1NwvcfIZPKHsdhD Gj7cTFG1nk2oYPwj1RrefIIFG83o9Gp1921zpmtt4k8bd_2JjY y-Jq6bY79of9MZh

Axiom in January released the identity of the crew members: Canadian investor Mark Pathy, investor Larry Connor and former Israeli pilot Eytan Stibbe. Leading the crew as mission commander is former NASA astronaut and Axiom Space VP Michael López-Alegría, who has four spaceflights under his belt.

Pathy, Connor and Stibbe will engage in research missions while onboard. Pathy will be collaborating with the Montreal Children’s Hospital and the Canadian Space Agency; Connor, the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic; and Stibbe will conduct scientific experiments coordinated by the Israel Space Agency at the Ministry of Science and Technology.

“Larry and Mark are very serious individuals who are dedicated to being the best they can be in the mold of a NASA astronaut and they’re not interested in being tourists,” López-Alegría said during the media briefing. “They want to do their part to improve humankind.”

To prepare for the mission, the four crew members will go on a “camping trip” in the Alaskan foothills for training in July, López-Alegría said. He will start full-time training around August, with Larry starting in September. The rest of the crew will start in October, with around two-thirds of their time dedicated to ISS-specific training and the rest dedicated to training with SpaceX. The staggered schedule is due to the differing responsibilities between the crew members while onboard. Axiom will be using the same contractor that NASA uses to train its astronauts.

While Suffredini declined to specify how much the private astronauts paid for their space on the flight, he said he “wouldn’t argue with” widely reported figures in the tens of millions. The Washington Post in January reported that the ticket prices came in at $55 million each.

Prices may not always be so high, but Suffredini said that the industry is likely at least a decade away from serious price drops that might make space travel feasible for the average space-goer

craigster59 07-21-2021 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 11399383)
The original Mercury program astronauts had to fight for a window in the capsules that they were going to "pilot" despite hardly any input beyond holding on for the ride. NASA engineers considered them as live cargo.

I toured Johnson Space Center in Houston where they had a Mercury capsule. That thing was tiny!

craigster59 07-21-2021 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11399337)
FIFY


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655

Launching yourself towards space may be one of those things that gets better and more successful, the more money you have. It's just a theory, but....

I forgot about Mad Mike. Boy, that landing was a mofo!

https://twitter.com/justindchapman/status/1231336002175717376

masraum 07-21-2021 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11399390)
Axiom, 10 day trip to the space station. I believe it is scheduled for January.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/10/axiom-space-and-nasa-detail-first-fully-private-human-launch-to-the-space-station-set-for-january-2022/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2 xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA-fLW-VIZeI6R2KZTS_z1iJYQIvNTrZzrIiThxhmP2Cd36kP5dviTAnZ QIEtXj2q4X9_mT6IJlf9DL0okAGyh5C6m0M1NwvcfIZPKHsdhD Gj7cTFG1nk2oYPwj1RrefIIFG83o9Gp1921zpmtt4k8bd_2JjY y-Jq6bY79of9MZh

Axiom in January released the identity of the crew members: Canadian investor Mark Pathy, investor Larry Connor and former Israeli pilot Eytan Stibbe. Leading the crew as mission commander is former NASA astronaut and Axiom Space VP Michael López-Alegría, who has four spaceflights under his belt.

Pathy, Connor and Stibbe will engage in research missions while onboard. Pathy will be collaborating with the Montreal Children’s Hospital and the Canadian Space Agency; Connor, the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic; and Stibbe will conduct scientific experiments coordinated by the Israel Space Agency at the Ministry of Science and Technology.

“Larry and Mark are very serious individuals who are dedicated to being the best they can be in the mold of a NASA astronaut and they’re not interested in being tourists,” López-Alegría said during the media briefing. “They want to do their part to improve humankind.”

To prepare for the mission, the four crew members will go on a “camping trip” in the Alaskan foothills for training in July, López-Alegría said. He will start full-time training around August, with Larry starting in September. The rest of the crew will start in October, with around two-thirds of their time dedicated to ISS-specific training and the rest dedicated to training with SpaceX. The staggered schedule is due to the differing responsibilities between the crew members while onboard. Axiom will be using the same contractor that NASA uses to train its astronauts.

While Suffredini declined to specify how much the private astronauts paid for their space on the flight, he said he “wouldn’t argue with” widely reported figures in the tens of millions. The Washington Post in January reported that the ticket prices came in at $55 million each.

Prices may not always be so high, but Suffredini said that the industry is likely at least a decade away from serious price drops that might make space travel feasible for the average space-goer

If I was rich enough, I'd want to do it too.
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11399392)
I toured Johnson Space Center in Houston where they had a Mercury capsule. That thing was tiny!

Right, crazy how small and cramped it was. They didn't have claustrophobia.
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11399394)
I forgot about Mad Mike. Boy, that landing was a mofo!

https://twitter.com/justindchapman/status/1231336002175717376

Wow, I hadn't previously seen the video. He basically left his 'chute on the ground at take off. And everyone watching had to know what was coming.

I don't know the whole story, but this is why so many things have backup systems. Clearly, he needed a backup chute unless he had one and had multiple failures.

A930Rocket 07-21-2021 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11399394)
I forgot about Mad Mike. Boy, that landing was a mofo!

https://twitter.com/justindchapman/status/1231336002175717376

The good news is he made it back to earth. The bad news is he didn’t live to tell the tale.

flatbutt 07-21-2021 03:47 PM

Astronaut = star traveler. OK so our legit astronauts never traveled "the stars" but maybe in this age of redefining everyfreakinthing to suit an acute need we need a new title.

How about Suborbital Viator?

Sooner or later 07-21-2021 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11399420)
If I was rich enough, I'd want to do it too.

"10 day, all inclusive excursion. Views that are out of this world! Only 5.5 million per day!"

LEAKYSEALS951 07-21-2021 04:31 PM

Hey! Don't forget Red Bull guy- :)

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