Dangers of a Half-Vaccinated Public:

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

That ship sailed so long ago it has circumnavigated the world multiple times.

Never too late.

Think about this. Look at the threads here. It's clear that the crazy message is doing better than the sensible message. We have a person in the medical field questioning whether being magnetized by the vaccine is real or not! COME ON! We have people here who believe the vaccine will alter you genetically. I have to believe that this site is populated with people slightly above the average intelligence level... yet we still have people here who believe the crazy because the crazy is doing a better job at messaging.

My friends wife dies from complications related to covid. His sister in law still hasn't recovered her sense of taste and smell. He knows someone his age that just died from complications related to covid... and he still worries about the risk of being vaccinated.

We don't just need a better message. We need better messengers. We need to find people that average people trust and get them talking about the vaccines. We need to combat the crazy better. That's why when asked, I took the time to explain to my friend my rationalization for getting the vaccine and why, after doing my own research, I believe it has benefit. I wanted to ask, "knowing what you know, if you could go back and your wife could be vaccinated would you do it?" But that was a step too far in my opinion.

[beepbeep]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Nice random chart there Roadrunner, very convincing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

[black73]

Breakthrough science behind COVID vaccine not a ‘surprise’ for Vanderbilt researcher

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) — Even though mRNA vaccines are a new type of vaccine created to protect against infectious diseases like COVID, those involved in the science says the development did not come as a surprise.

It’s not new science for those, like Robert Carnahan, who are familiar with mRNA’s history. “For 20 years, people have been looking at this. And definitely in the last 10 years, it has been actively working on as a platform for delivering proteins, or vaccine, into the human body.”


As Assistant Director of Vanderbilt’s Vaccine Center, Carnahan says researchers spend their life’s work hoping to discover the key that unlocks the answers to something scientific.

“We try to design our work to where we’re making an impact. It may not, in our lifetimes, reach a point where it has an impact that we can see it translate into human health.”

However, in the case of mRNA researchers, it did. And, it has in the past too but not to the scale of COVID.

“It’s not the first time it’s been put into humans. It’s not the first time it’s been looked at,” he says.


According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune system to target specific cancer cells.

“What people get hung up on is there’s no approved mRNA vaccine prior to this, and that is true.”

Carnahan explains says that’s largely due to timing and circumstance.

“Approving vaccines generally takes a very long time, and why is that? It’s not for the reason that some suspect,” he continues, “It’s that running the clinical trial and getting sufficient number of volunteers that are in an ‘at risk’ population where you can start to see a difference between vaccinated and vaccinated is typically difficult.”

For better for worse, that was not the case during the COVID–19 pandemic.

“We had lots and lot of people who were exposed to the virus. We had lots and lots of people who were willing to volunteer. So, you could get to the kind of numbers that are required to prove something is effective or not,” says Carnahan.


For those who says the vaccine is not working because vaccinated people can still get infected with COVID, he says, “Not true. The main primary focus of the vaccine all along was to prevent that thing that was more troublesome which is hospitalization and death.”

The CDC has announced people who got the Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines should get a booster eight months after their second dose.

Those who got Johnson and Johnson will not need a booster shot, because more data and research needs to be done, according to health officials.

[Dpmulvan]

[cabmandone]

^^^
See what I mean?

Dr's on youtube and twitter.. That's where the real info is! BTW... did you know I'm the inventor of the mRNA vaccine? It's true..

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by cabmando

^^^
See what I mean?

Dr's on youtube and twitter.. That's where the real info is! BTW... did you know I'm the inventor of the mRNA vaccine? It's true..

You stole my notes and took credit for my work!

[1990C4S]

I would like to respond to Dpmulvan, but I've only got about 22 months to live....no time for him since the vaccine is going to kill me.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

You stole my notes and took credit for my work!

That's what I expected you to say! So to prove I didn't, I'm going to have my wife write a comment here stating that not only did I NOT steal your notes... but that I am the inventor of the mRNA vaccine. I might even change my website from loader sales, since everything on the site is sold and I've got nothing coming in, over to a blog about how I invented the vaccines. That should give me more credibility! You saw it on the internet and there's a webpage dedicated to it!

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

I would like to respond to Dpmulvan, but I've only got about 22 months to live....no time for him since the vaccine is going to kill me.

I'm down to something like 18 months now. Been a good run!

[hbueno]

A bit of a deep dive into Simpson's Paradox and Covid vaccine efficacy stats:


Explanation of Simpson's Paradox: https://towardsdatascience.com/simpsons-paradox-and-interpreting-data-6a0443516765


How Simpson's Paradox comes into play with Israeli vaccine efficacy reporting: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

[gsxrken]

This thread is as good as any to share this:

ABBOTT AND COSTELLO'S 'WHO'S ON FIRST'..... updated version.

Bud: 'You can't come in here!'
Lou: 'Why not?'
Bud: 'Well because you're unvaccinated.'
Lou: 'But I'm not sick.'
Bud: 'It doesn't matter.'
Lou: 'Well, why does that guy get to go in?'
Bud: 'Because he's vaccinated.'
Lou: 'But he's sick!'
Bud: 'It's alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.'
Lou: 'Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?'
Bud: 'Yes.'
Lou: 'So then why can't I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?'
Bud: 'Because you'll make them sick.'
Lou: 'How will I make them sick if I'm NOT sick and they're vaccinated.'
Bud: 'Because you're unvaccinated.'
Lou: 'But they're vaccinated.'
Bud: 'But they can still get sick.'
Lou: 'So what the heck does the vaccine do?'
Bud: 'It vaccinates.'
Lou: 'So vaccinated people can't spread covid?'
Bud: 'Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.'
Lou: 'I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. Look. I'm not sick.
Bud: 'Ok.'
Lou: 'And the guy you let in IS sick.'
Bud: 'That's right.'
Lou: 'And everybody in there can still get sick even though they're vaccinated.'
Bud: 'Certainly.'
Lou: 'So why can't I go in again?'
Bud: 'Because you're unvaccinated.'
Lou: 'I'm not asking who's vaccinated or not!'
Bud: 'I'm just telling you how it is.'
Lou: 'Nevermind. I'll just put on my mask.'
Bud: 'That's fine.'
Lou: 'Now I can go in?'
Bud: 'Absolutely not?'
Lou: 'But I have a mask!'
Bud: 'Doesn't matter.'
Lou: 'I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.'
Bud: 'I know.'
Lou: So why can't I come in here today with a mask? ..If you say 'because I'm unvaccinated' again, I'll break your arm.'
Bud: 'Take it easy buddy.'
Lou: 'So the mask is no good anymore.'
Bud: 'No, it's still good.'
Lou: 'But I can't come in?'
Bud: 'Correct.'
Lou: 'Why not?'
Bud: 'Because you're unvaccinated.'
Lou: 'But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.'
Bud: 'Yes, but people can still catch your germs.'
Lou: 'But they're all vaccinated.'
Bud: 'Yes, but they can still get sick.'
Lou: 'But I'm not sick!!'
Bud: 'You can still get them sick.'
Lou: 'So then masks don't work!'
Bud: 'Masks work quite well.'
Lou: 'So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I'm not sick and masks work?'
Bud: 'Third base.'

[Tobra]

The danger does not so much stem from the inoculations.

It is from the measures being taken to mandate it, the divisiveness fomented to support the mandate, and the disregard for the law in relation to this virus and the actions taken by the government.

Nick,

That is not an accurate characterization of my observations.

Toby

Originally Posted by beepbeep

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

Still does not address my assertion, but thanks for playing

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Tobra

The danger does not so much stem from the inoculations.

It is from the measures being taken to mandate it, the divisiveness fomented to support the mandate, and the disregard for the law in relation to this virus and the actions taken by the government.

Nick,

That is not an accurate characterization of my observations.

Toby


Still does not address my assertion, but thanks for playing

How was I wrong? Did I misread your thread? It seemed that what you had seen made you lean towards it being real.

"I have checked a fair number of people that have gotten the 2 step jab, Moderna/Pfizer. Every single one had a magnetic effect where they got the shot, paper clip stuck to them."

Dude... come on.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I have written that I am currently in a study doing much the same work. I get blood drawn again today.

Which study are you in? I am still in the Moderna study, tracking Anti-bodies. Some of us are being offered the New Moderna/Booster. It is basically the same except it has protection against all of the known major variants.

I'll be in next month for another blood draw, last one was April. I'm "behind" in the study as I was "placebo" last Sept. My buddies had the actual vaccine in Sep/Oct 20. I received it in Jan/Feb 21.

I would definitely like the "Booster".

[cabmandone]

James,
I'm assuming they're checking your antibody levels. Do you know what your numbers are?

And I think he said his is a private study through Johns Hopkins IIRC.