Man Between Worlds

[Seahawk]

I have had an interest in North American Tribes since we lived in Fort Huachuca for a year when I was 7.

I read this article this morning and have ordered the book.

https://georgespencer.substack.com/p/always-the-winner

Just thought I'd share with those that may have a similar interest.



THE PITIFUL LAST

The baby was not expected to live. His mother’s name was Wakan Tankan Win (Goddess). She had given birth to four other children. Now she lay dying of complications. It was the winter of 1858. The place—a buffalo hide teepee in a Santee Sioux reservation near Redwood Falls, Minnesota.

Members of the tribe debated what to name the baby. A medicine man suggested he be called Mysterious Medicine. Someone pointed out that the infant’s uncle already had that name.

So the child who grew up to be Dr. Charles Alexander Eastman—a physician who treated victims of the Wounded Knee massacre, the author of 11 books, a national lecturer, a leading figure in the YMCA and Boy Scouts, an Indian rights lobbyist, co-founder of the first American-Indian national political organization, and husband and father of six—got what seemed a more fitting name, given the circumstances of his birth.

He was to be called Hakadah (the Pitiful Last [Born]). “I was regarded as little more than a plaything by the rest of the children,” he wrote in his 1902 memoirs Indian Boyhood. Even as a toddler he says he knew his name was “humiliating.”

[Fast Freddy 944]

I learned in school back in the 70s, the tribes actually came from Asia and Eurasia. It was facinating how they migrated from Russia, across the ice bridge to Alaska and down to the Mericas. I learned the burrito is very similar to the egg roll, and the bow and arrow was actually from the middle east. The South Merican Pyrmids are very similar to the ones in Egypt. I wonder who was on the contient before the Euro-Asians?

[DonDavis]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I have had an interest in North American Tribes since we lived in Fort Huachuca for a year when I was 7...

Leaving the Navy in Sept '92, one of my great shipmates ( also discharged ) and I drove our cars cross country to our respective homes. Me Tenn, him Fla.

I was in my '76 2002, he was in his '77 Camaro. Gawd I wish I had pictures from that trip.

Our first stop was Sierra Vista. One of other buddies was stationed at FH.

I was simply amazed at the incredible sunsets. The overall vibe of the state and the area.

One year later I was living in Mesa.

I'll have to check out that book.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I have had an interest in North American Tribes since we lived in Fort Huachuca for a year when I was 7.

I read this article this morning and have ordered the book.

https://georgespencer.substack.com/p/always-the-winner

Just thought I'd share with those that may have a similar interest.



THE PITIFUL LAST

The baby was not expected to live. His mother’s name was Wakan Tankan Win (Goddess). She had given birth to four other children. Now she lay dying of complications. It was the winter of 1858. The place—a buffalo hide teepee in a Santee Sioux reservation near Redwood Falls, Minnesota.

Members of the tribe debated what to name the baby. A medicine man suggested he be called Mysterious Medicine. Someone pointed out that the infant’s uncle already had that name.

So the child who grew up to be Dr. Charles Alexander Eastman—a physician who treated victims of the Wounded Knee massacre, the author of 11 books, a national lecturer, a leading figure in the YMCA and Boy Scouts, an Indian rights lobbyist, co-founder of the first American-Indian national political organization, and husband and father of six—got what seemed a more fitting name, given the circumstances of his birth.

He was to be called Hakadah (the Pitiful Last [Born]). “I was regarded as little more than a plaything by the rest of the children,” he wrote in his 1902 memoirs Indian Boyhood. Even as a toddler he says he knew his name was “humiliating.”

I too have had an abiding interest in Native American culture and mythology. However, every time I read or learn something in depth I come away feeling awful about how they were treated. This looks to be more uplifting. Thanks Paul.

[mistertate]

Originally Posted by Fast Freddy 944

and the bow and arrow was actually from the middle east.

Bow and arrow is from the Khoi San people in Namibia, the earliest known homo sapiens, if not the first. I think I read that current records of the weapon go as far back as 50,000 years.
I like the Native American and Mexican stuff too.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

However, every time I read or learn something in depth I come away feeling awful about how they were treated.

I know I write about this all the time, but the Tribes were all not bucolic leaf eaters spending their nights in drum circles: They were ferocious warriors before whitey ever got to the party.

They were ruthless pillagers; took, sold and bought slaves and took no, or expected no quarter. The first chapter of "Chesapeake" is instructive.

The most interesting aspect of the evolution of the Tribes is the introduction (some say reintroduction) of horses in North America.

That changed everything, tipped the balance of power on the Plains and stopped an empire from moving north.

Everything I write or say about the Tribes is meant with respect and admiration.

[Sooner or later]

Comanches, Lords of the Plains.

Where I live I am surrounded by Indian land. I lot of deer and turkey move through my neighborhood. Indian hospital just down the road. Geronimo is buried just north of me. In another areas a lot of the great Chiefs are buried at Chiefs Knoll on Ft Sill.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I know I write about this all the time, but the Tribes were all not bucolic leaf eaters spending their nights in drum circles: They were ferocious warriors before whitey ever got to the party.

Oh I understand that but genocide is a brutal penance.

[GH85Carrera]

For those of you traveling on I-40 in the future, there is a new First American's Museum that opened just a few months ago. We have not yet been there, but plan to go once the "new" wears off and the crowds diminish.

https://famok.org/

And the National Cowboy and Western Heritage museum in on Oklahoma City as well. They have one entire hall dedicated to Native Americans.

Both are highly rated and worth the time to visit.


https://nationalcowboymuseum.org/

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Comanches, Lords of the Plains.

Where I live I am surrounded by Indian land. I lot of deer and turkey move through my neighborhood. Indian hospital just down the road. Geronimo is buried just north of me. In another areas a lot of the great Chiefs are buried at Chiefs Knoll on Ft Sill.

Star House, some of the most interesting land I know.

I took notes from “Empire of the Summer Moon” and tracked all over you area...miles off road, stop on a vista, shut the car down and listen.

Loved it.

The point of this thread was this man bridged societal evolution. I can’t wait to read it.

[Tervuren]

Keep in mind that pre-history is just that...
And even history misses it here and there.
With pre history, I prefer to stick with "might have came" rather than "actually came".
Another tidbit, it is possible that parts of Oceania were colonized via South America.

Originally Posted by Fast Freddy 944

I learned in school back in the 70s, the tribes actually came from Asia and Eurasia.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Oh I understand that but genocide is a brutal penance.

I get it as well and have tried to help for 40 years, time and money.

Our treatment of the Tribes today, with exceptions, needs vast improvement. IMHO.