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masraum 12-05-2022 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 11865572)
gotta love Porsche tax!

Now I'm extra confused.

https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/99610792600.htm?pn=996-107-926-00-OEM&SVSVSI=3239

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Porsche Air Oil Separator (High Performance Motorsport Version)

Reduces engine smoking caused by extreme driving conditions. Modifications will be necessary on cars not already equipped. Also use two 900-067-316-01 bolts. Also use one 996-107-947-00 line.

$943.25
Because ^that one^ which is half the price of the other one appears to support everything from a 2000 2.7L Boxster through the 2012 Coxsters and the 911s from '99 3.4L up to 2005 3.6L.

afterburn 549 12-05-2022 04:56 PM

Barbra Eden better be in that thing doing the hoola for that kind of money for a little plastic bottle with a screen........

svandamme 12-05-2022 09:42 PM

that is not an official AOS for Caymans, its just what the community figured out as a part that also fits from, i believe, the 996GT3

aschen 12-06-2022 04:00 PM

Been shopping for a cayman for a while now. Frustrating to say the least.

6mt, non boring color, s/gts 6cyl: is a tough find at what I think is the market price. Can't swing a dead cat without running into an gt4 with an optimistic asking price. Check out BAT there are a ton of reserve not met lately. There is no way a 981 gt4 is a 6 figure car currently, will take a bit for the owners to realize it.


Currently thinking of just doing 718. I don't hate the idea of a flat 4, still an interesting engine even if not quite the flat 6 eargasm.

afterburn 549 12-06-2022 04:58 PM

I can't do a 4-cyl,718, just can't .
Not a flat 4.
Perhaps maybe if it was an Offenhauser...
Shiny colors are very hard to come by are they not?
I know what bat is, but I have no faith in auctions and am not a member.
I talked to the dealer for the above car today and yes the ghost stripes are an aftermarket mind medication thing.
The car does in fact have some good points...but I don't think it is the one for me.
I am going to hang on, I think the prices are dropping.

rusnak 12-06-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 11863935)
Man, that is a lot of reading. I only read through 10-12 posts. I have an 987.2S with a PDK transmission. I tell ya, that damn transmission is Bluetoothed to my brain. Before you think it, it shifts in the gear you need, before you know it, jam on the gas, its always in the right gear. I am talking aggressive street driving with it set on sport.

My car has the following:

Cargraphic Ti headers and low cell cat but factory sports mufflers

19" wheels off a 911S (I think they are 19s? Have to look)

IPD plenum

Cobb tune

Ohlin shocks with 100lbs softer springs at its lowest setting normally for the street

Sports Chrono package (honestly, I can't tell the different on pedal response)

My favorite thing about all the mods is the tune. Its a mild tune, all together, I may have 30-35 hp gain along with the headers with some weight saving. The biggest difference I felt was the shift points. It felt like I have another 60 hp due to the changes. It must have about 340+ hp now? My next fav mod is the shocks. Love how smooth the car is on our LA streets. When I need to whip it around turns up in the canyons, it takes it just fine. I tighten up the shocks up a couple notches in the track.

Almost identical, with the exception of the tune.

Factory headers, limited slip diff, 6-speed manual, Sport Chrono, aero package, Borla cat back, IPD Plenum, big bore throttle body, 6 piston calipers, and GT-3 lower front control arms for more neg. camber. I think the rear 19" are 996 wheels, the front are 987. Same spoke pattern and refinished by Wheel Enhancement. The shifter is a Numeric Racing. But the Numeric cables won't fit with the IPD unless I'm willing to make a new bracket or do something like that. So the car has the stock shifter cables.

2011 987.2 "S" model, with 28K miles, bought in late 2015/ early 2016 for $18,000. No one wanted it because it's white and has a 6 speed.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670385724.jpg

Here with 19" wheels, and Ohlins Road and Race setup and springs:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670385806.jpg

I also changed the headlights to Cayman "R" lights. The rear tail lights are Spyder or some such. Greatly improved and updated the look at the rear.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670385806.jpg

look 171 12-06-2022 08:50 PM

Rusnak, I found the Ohlins to be a bit stiff for general street use especially going over fwy bridges where the pavement is an abrupt sharp bump between fwy and bridge connection. At good speed, I am thrown out of my seat. 100lb spring reduction changed that. I'm not sure what R headlights are but my will turn and aim as I turn my steering wheel. Love 'em. I had intake installed to mate to the built ut that noise was driving me nuts. It was like having someone bowing a trumpet right behine my ear as the rpm builds. It was a pita to install and reinstall. The nice quiet stock one is more then good enough for me. I think I have the same wheels, in silver. Can't see that well from your pic,

rusnak 12-06-2022 09:24 PM

^ Strange, I get no intake noise. You may have a muffler rubbing against the frame or something. The only difference for me with the IPD plenum and throttle body is that I get a bit more pull at high rpm until it hits the cutout.

look 171 12-06-2022 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11866643)
^ Strange, I get no intake noise. You may have a muffler rubbing against the frame or something. The only difference for me with the IPD plenum and throttle body is that I get a bit more pull at high rpm until it hits the cutout.

This was a Fabspeed cold air intake. Ear drums spitting scream at 6500 rpm. Sounded mean like hell in car that was for sure.

afterburn 549 12-07-2022 01:57 AM

If you folks see decent Cayman S cars for sale. would you post them here?
Thanx

masraum 12-07-2022 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11866613)
Almost identical, with the exception of the tune.

Factory headers, limited slip diff, 6-speed manual, Sport Chrono, aero package, Borla cat back, IPD Plenum, big bore throttle body, 6 piston calipers, and GT-3 lower front control arms for more neg. camber. I think the rear 19" are 996 wheels, the front are 987. Same spoke pattern and refinished by Wheel Enhancement. The shifter is a Numeric Racing. But the Numeric cables won't fit with the IPD unless I'm willing to make a new bracket or do something like that. So the car has the stock shifter cables.

2011 987.2 "S" model, with 28K miles, bought in late 2015/ early 2016 for $18,000. No one wanted it because it's white and has a 6 speed.

Here with 19" wheels, and Ohlins Road and Race setup and springs:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670385806.jpg

I love those wheels, sort of a skeleton 5-star, but my car came with 19". If I was going to make any change, it would probably be to 18". I think they would handle as good, but be a bit more comfy on crappy roads. I think the tires would be a bit cheaper too.

I was thinking you had the spyder side intake grills for some reason. That must be someone else.

I definitely love the sport chrono throttle remap. I think it's primarily a change at low RPM, so most noticeable in parking lots or pulling away from a stop.

If you've got a tune, it may not be noticeable at all. I'm not sure if they tune the standard mode or sport mode or both.

aschen 12-07-2022 08:07 AM

similar car, but you are going to have to pay more than 2x what rusnak paid these days. 987.2S MT arnt too common, but way too yellow for me. I would think it will land in the lowish 40s


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-porsche-cayman-s-13/

afterburn 549 12-07-2022 12:31 PM

I see no reason to pay that much for a 2006

pwd72s 12-07-2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 11865587)
Barbra Eden better be in that thing doing the hoola for that kind of money for a little plastic bottle with a screen........

Just for kicks, do a search for "Mustang oil separators"...probably around $150 for a nicely machined aluminum one with "plug and play" set-up.

aschen 12-07-2022 01:42 PM

its 2011 if you are refering to the one I posted, not 2006

rusnak 12-07-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11866946)
similar car, but you are going to have to pay more than 2x what rusnak paid these days. 987.2S MT arnt too common, but way too yellow for me. I would think it will land in the lowish 40s


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-porsche-cayman-s-13/

The front end re-spray needs some explaining. Way too yellow for me too. It has a lot of comfort features, but none of the go fast options. Strange, given the 6-speed manual gearbox.

aschen 12-07-2022 01:55 PM

could almost forgive the yellow if it didnt bleed to the interior.

I am more looking for a 981 but I have given up on stuff like finding the ideal hardware options, almost rather have a stripper and start replacing stuff myself. The MT, condition, non boring color, sensibly priced requirements have already limited me out of finding a car. If I hold out for suspension or LSD will really be hosed.

for 981/718 think I should be scared off of cars with active dampers, active engine mounts, & valved exuast? Seems like these could turn into a head ache and I may be more of a fabspeed/ohlins/aftermarket type of guy as well. Still the factory adjustable options seem cool. I guess this is more of an s vs gts question since gts comes with most of that stuff.

masraum 12-07-2022 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11867302)
The front end re-spray needs some explaining. Way too yellow for me too. It has a lot of comfort features, but none of the go fast options. Strange, given the 6-speed manual gearbox.

My guess is respray was just to fix chips before installing film.
The S is the go-fast option. Not a lot of other stuff to do from the factory, other than Sport Chrono.
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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11867317)
could almost forgive the yellow if it didnt bleed to the interior.

I wouldn't mind a bright red, canary yellow, or bright orange car. But yeah, the yellow gauge faces and accents in the interior are not my thing. Still, if I'd found a car with that kind of thing when I was looking in the right shape for the right price, I'd have bought it.
Yep, if you hold out for MT w/LSD, I think you'll be waiting a while. I think the newer cars (981 or 718) may have LSD more frequently than the 987s. I'd like to get a torque biasing (quaife-style) diff for mine, but it doesn't need it.

My car has the PSE (sport exhaust) which has valves to make it quiet/loud. I wouldn't think that would be that big a deal. If they do fail, I suspect they fail open or closed. And if they fail, they don't affect performance. So if they fail, you replace the muffler (stock or aftermarket as you see fit.

My car also has PASM which is the active/adaptive shocks. I like it and haven't had any issues. There are even aftermarket options (Bilstein) and even upgrades DSC (upgrade to the controller [programmable] and upgrade to the shocks [faster response]).
https://www.dscsport.com/product-tag/boxster/. And while there is a button to turn PASM on and off, it's never completely off. In the "off" mode, as your speed increases or the car thinks that you're driving more aggressively, it'll stiffen things up. In the "off" mode, there's a big difference on crappy bumpy roads at regular speeds than on the same road at the same speed with it set "on".

Active motor mounts does seem a little iffy to me, but I suspect it wouldn't be a big deal to change out for standard if it came down to it.

The stuff that would scare me a bit is torque vectoring and an electronic diff (don't some of the new ones have some sort of adaptive LSD?).

afterburn 549 12-07-2022 05:16 PM

I while back I looked into LSD do it myself, because I have determined finding a factory unit is pretty rare.
The price was not that scary.
Not that hard to do either.

masraum 12-07-2022 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 11867521)
I while back I looked into LSD do it myself, because I have determined finding a factory unit is pretty rare.
The price was not that scary.
Not that hard to do either.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd pay someone, but yeah, I don't think the cost is too bad, especially if you're willing to DIY.

JackDidley 12-07-2022 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 11867521)
I while back I looked into LSD do it myself, because I have determined finding a factory unit is pretty rare.
The price was not that scary.
Not that hard to do either.

Definitely get an LSD. The lack of one was a big let down in my 08 S. Undriveable with any snow on the ground. Mine spent 3 days stuck in the yard after I backed it out of the garage with 3" of snow on the driveway. :mad:

rusnak 12-07-2022 06:36 PM

I'd probably try to duplicate an "R" without the spendy GT-3 seats. That means passive dampening and slightly lower ride height. Not hard to do with the right kit. The Ohlins kit comes with all the stuff you need.

OWP is the go-to guy on Caymans. With his advice, I put GT3 lower control arms on the front suspension. Huge improvement. I think with Vario Cam Plus variable vavle timing, the motor puts out enough bhp for most freeway driving. You run out of power in the hills, however. Two stage induction made way for the IPD plenum. I see no reason to not have free flow all the time.

I don't know about torque vectoring, but the "ABD or Anti lock Brake Differential" feature really works. You can feel it keeping the car going straight in the rain.

aschen 12-07-2022 06:39 PM

As an aside, shame on you porsche. LSD standard on miata and subaru brz but rare and expensive on a cayman s.

rusnak 12-07-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11866779)
I love those wheels, sort of a skeleton 5-star, but my car came with 19". If I was going to make any change, it would probably be to 18". I think they would handle as good, but be a bit more comfy on crappy roads. I think the tires would be a bit cheaper too.

I was thinking you had the spyder side intake grills for some reason. That must be someone else.

I definitely love the sport chrono throttle remap. I think it's primarily a change at low RPM, so most noticeable in parking lots or pulling away from a stop.

If you've got a tune, it may not be noticeable at all. I'm not sure if they tune the standard mode or sport mode or both.

I've been thinking about your comment re the Ohlins being too harsh for the street. I think a lot of that is due to the tire sidewall. The fronts are definitely harsh, but I noticed that the rear is perfect, at least for me. I now have to wonder if putting a higher profile tire on the front might make the entire package the perfect compromise tor the street. OTOH, I don't think I really want to tune the suspension for the worst road conditions (expansion joints). My 911 3.2 with RSR struts and coilovers and Bilstein valving was the shizzle. I need to get that car back on the road. It's been sitting for way too long.

rusnak 12-07-2022 06:51 PM

Here's the factory build
sheet on my 987.2

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670467802.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670467853.jpg

masraum 12-07-2022 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11867576)
As an aside, shame on you porsche. LSD standard on miata and subaru brz but rare and expensive on a cayman s.

I think with the rear weight bias it's not a big deal. And designing for the average Joe they probably didn't want to induce understeer by adding LSD.

I like (at least in my old miata) the handling behavior with LSD.

masraum 12-07-2022 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11867588)

very nice!

look 171 12-07-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11867570)
I'd probably try to duplicate an "R" without the spendy GT-3 seats. That means passive dampening and slightly lower ride height. Not hard to do with the right kit. The Ohlins kit comes with all the stuff you need.

OWP is the go-to guy on Caymans. With his advice, I put GT3 lower control arms on the front suspension. Huge improvement. I think with Vario Cam Plus variable vavle timing, the motor puts out enough bhp for most freeway driving. You run out of power in the hills, however. Two stage induction made way for the IPD plenum. I see no reason to not have free flow all the time.

I don't know about torque vectoring, but the "ABD or Anti lock Brake Differential" feature really works. You can feel it keeping the car going straight in the rain.

I grew south of that fwy 20 min to the entrance of Angeles Crest Raceway so I know every inch of that road. I had they my S up there more then I like to admit but never once I felt it lacking power before and after the tune. Yep, plenty for the fwy. The only time was at Willow. Coming out of a right hand turn, up hill, I was on the floor and they guy in front just walked away form me. It felt like I was dragging an anchor. I think I know the issue there. I was chasing a 991S and I am not as good driver as he was. After two laps, I couldn't catch him anymore. I hear great things about the GT# front end.

The Ohlins are great with smaller imperfections on the road even expansion joints. Its the larger ones that send me flying off my seat at speed of 80+. The tune and all the other go fast bolt on parts was a good improvement on both power and shift points especially.

look 171 12-07-2022 09:19 PM

I can't seem to get 26 mpg on mine. 22 I think was max., then again, I like to depress that pedal a bit.

aschen 12-12-2022 07:50 AM

https://img.nasioc.com/i/HngEt.jpg






Finally pulled the trigger on a cayman. 18 GTS 6mt 12k miles

About the same price as a 981 gts that would be at least 2 years older and have more miles and not modern tech so I made a compromise on the glorious flat 6 sound.

The 2.5T 4 is strong though. About as fast as a 996 turbo if you look at the numbers. It is raucous and snorty at low rpm and smooth pulls strong at high rpm. Sounds good to me and has alot of character, but I get why traditional purists prefer the flat 6 Wail.

afterburn 549 12-12-2022 07:56 AM

Pix !!
Pix!! ^^^^^^^

aschen 12-12-2022 08:05 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670861046.jpg

Lets see if I can make it work this time. Really didnt want white, grey, or black.

Red wasnt my first choice but pickings are slim when manual is prerequisite. The red is growing on me. GTS trim is a good fit for me as well.

afterburn 549 12-12-2022 08:06 AM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice !!!!!!!!!!!

astrochex 12-12-2022 08:15 AM

Sweet! Those wheels look great.

masraum 12-12-2022 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 11867654)
I can't seem to get 26 mpg on mine. 22 I think was max., then again, I like to depress that pedal a bit.

I can max out a car, for a bit, but eventually my right foot tells me to effe off and mpg plummets.

Life's too short to hypermile a fun car or deal with the other morons on the road (right pedal is the "buh, bye, moron" pedal)

afterburn 549 12-12-2022 08:38 AM

I have a zero for a clue why a so-called sports car enthusiast would be trying to get gas mileage...' Status quo maybe?
As they have zero understanding of the romance involved?

JackDidley 12-12-2022 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11870905)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670861046.jpg

Lets see if I can make it work this time. Really didnt want white, grey, or black.

Red wasnt my first choice but pickings are slim when manual is prerequisite. The red is growing on me. GTS trim is a good fit for me as well.


Looks great. Would not change a thing.

masraum 12-12-2022 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11870905)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670861046.jpg

Lets see if I can make it work this time. Really didnt want white, grey, or black.

Red wasnt my first choice but pickings are slim when manual is prerequisite. The red is growing on me. GTS trim is a good fit for me as well.

Nice, red w/black wheels is a good look. What's the interior color, black?

GTS, all of the bells and whistles, including all of the performance stuff, I believe, right!?!

aschen 12-12-2022 10:42 AM

Thanks Y'all

Yeah GTS has most of what you want from a performance perspective: sports seats, LSD with torque vectoring, Pasm, dual mode exaust, interior is mostly greyish alcantara with black trim. We will see how that holds up but pretty mint at 12k miles.

Oh yeah sport chrono too, but I have literally no idea what that does.......yet.

Also slightly bigger turbo with a bit more power over the S and a 3rd radiator.

masraum 12-12-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11871069)
Thanks Y'all

Yeah GTS has most of what you want from a performance perspective: sports seats, LSD with torque vectoring, Pasm, dual mode exaust, interior is mostly greyish alcantara with black trim. We will see how that holds up but pretty mint at 12k miles.

Oh yeah sport chrono too, but I have literally no idea what that does.......yet.

Also slightly bigger turbo with a bit more power over the S and a 3rd radiator.

Sport seats - awesome
LSD with torque vectoring - awesome
PASM - I like it
PSE - awesome

Alcantara being synthetic is supposed to hold up pretty well, I believe.

Sport Chrono: you have PASM, PSE, so the sport chrono button will enable both with one button push (stiffer handling and louder exhaust). Since you've got a manual vs PDK, the other main thing that Sport Chrono does is remap your gas pedal. In "regular" mode, the gas pedal is a little "soft" at low throttle openings, which makes it a bit easier to toodle around in parking lots and a little easier to stall if not paying attention. In sport mode, the throttle is more aggressive at low throttle openings.

I don't know that I've ever seen a graph, but if I had to imagine what it might look like based on feel, it feels like the graph below. You don't get more power, the delivery is just different. It also (at least, in my '08) also changes the behavior of the rev-limiter. Of course, being Porsche, I'm sure the remapping of the throttle pedal is probably a lot more nuanced than the graph. If you've got PDK, it also remaps the tranny behavior and shift speed.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1670871563.jpg


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