Cayman S Porsche Design Edition 1, Pro and con argument

[afterburn 549]

Flexible onions

[masraum]

Interesting, so it's been appreciating, but is that because it's collectible or because the market for any/all used cars has gone insane?

I've got a similar vehicle ('08 Boxster RS60 Spyder, numbered LE). I don't think these cars are appreciating yet. The thing that, IMO, they really have going for them is that they have options that are otherwise somewhat rare on 987s.

To me, $35k sounds like a lot, but then I think someone else on the board just sold a Cayman and said that he sold it for almost what he paid for it just a couple/few years ago. I think he said it sold the first day for his asking price so he figured he asked less than he could have.

I think you'd enjoy the car, but I think we're in a bubble so the price is high and may not hold once the bubble pops.

[masraum]

I wouldn't be that worried about an IMS issue. I think the probability is pretty low for 2008, and at 70k miles, I'd think that if it was going to happen, it probably already would have. I would assume these would be at a little bit of a premium because of the options.

My boxster has PSE, PASM, Sport Chrono, sport seats, sport design parts (wheels, shift knob, etc...) and most of the rest of the options of the special edition you're looking at.

[javadog]

That seems like too much money for that car.

[JackDidley]

Now may not be the time to buy any performance ca. Last week I sold my 08 Cayman S for $22,500 and was offered more. A year ago I would have been lucky to get $17,500. That said it had 98000 miles and no engine issues other than a water pump at around 81000 miles. I think maybe the engine problem have been blown out of proportion. Or, was I lucky ?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by JackDidley

Now may not be the time to buy any performance ca. Last week I sold my 08 Cayman S for $22,500 and was offered more. A year ago I would have been lucky to get $17,500. That said it had 98000 miles and no engine issues other than a water pump at around 81000 miles. I think maybe the engine problem have been blown out of proportion. Or, was I lucky ?

That's it, you were the fella that I was thinking about that had just sold a Cayman.

I assume (hope) that the issues have been blown out of proportion.

[rusnak]

When you get it out on the open road, you will yearn for either more power or less weight. And take a look at the "R" with the GT3 seats.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rusnak

When you get it out on the open road, you will yearn for either more power or less weight. And take a look at the "R" with the GT3 seats.

I think the weight difference between my seats and the GT3 seats is supposed to be about 15-16# per seat. While I'd love to have the support of that style of seat, and I think I'd be happy to have a car with those seats, I'm not sure the missus would enjoy the experience as much.

[javadog]

Porsche did a bunch of limited additions in 2008 and they were really good bargains. I’m sure they bring more money than the average car, as they were usually more heavily optioned, but I still don’t buy the price increase we’ve seen in the last year.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by masraum

I think the weight difference between my seats and the GT3 seats is supposed to be about 15-16# per seat. While I'd love to have the support of that style of seat, and I think I'd be happy to have a car with those seats, I'm not sure the missus would enjoy the experience as much.

You wouldn’t like the GT3 seats on a long trip. I had the sport seats in my RS Spyder and even those put the hurt on you after a couple hours. When your body is locked into one position, it doesn’t like it much. I had sport seats in nearly every Porsche I owned and none of them were uncomfortable like those.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by javadog

Porsche did a bunch of limited additions in 2008 and they were really good bargains. I’m sure they bring more money than the average car, as they were usually more heavily optioned, but I still don’t buy the price increase we’ve seen in the last year.

Exactly, I think the car market is in a crazy bubble. It's probably a bad idea to buy any car right now unless you have to.

[JackDidley]

Originally Posted by masraum

That's it, you were the fella that I was thinking about that had just sold a Cayman.

I assume (hope) that the issues have been blown out of proportion.

It is hard to say. The internet, Love it and hate it. So much misinformation to get through. Guys tend to scream loudly when they have a problem and other guys repeat that problem. Dont hear at all from all the guys that have no problem.
I knew I was taking a calculated risk. I decided I could take the loss if the 3.4 went south. I think thats the way one has to look at it. If you cant deal with a possible failure, stay away.

[masraum]

Exactly. Mine was COPO when I got it. I thought that while it was under warranty, I'd run it like I stole it to ensure that if a problem was going to occur, it would be before the warranty ran out. I think I've only averaged 5-6k miles per year, but I don't baby it. It sees plenty of revs. I've never had a hiccup. Fingers crossed!

[javadog]

Originally Posted by masraum

Exactly. Mine was COPO when I got it. I thought that while it was under warranty, I'd run it like I stole it to ensure that if a problem was going to occur, it would be before the warranty ran out. I think I've only averaged 5-6k miles per year, but I don't baby it. It sees plenty of revs. I've never had a hiccup. Fingers crossed!

I’m pretty sure that those of these 987/997 engines that see more revs have fewer problems than those that are babied. Not to say that you shouldn’t warm one up properly, but once it’s warmed up, don’t be afraid to rev it a little.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

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[masraum]

Originally Posted by javadog

I’m pretty sure that those of these 987/997 engines that see more revs have fewer problems than those that are babied. Not to say that you shouldn’t warm one up properly, but once it’s warmed up, don’t be afraid to rev it a little.

That was my plan. But then that's pretty much been my plan with any vehicle I've ever owned, '65 Chevy Impala, '78 Dodge Omni, etc....

[masraum]

Oh, and by the way, my Boxster is better because it's got 8 more hp than the Cayman. I am pretty sure, that was the only time the Boxster was rated for more HP than the Cayman. The 2008 Boxster Spyder RS60 was rated for 303hp (first 987 to "break 300hp"). All of the rest of the 987s were rated at 295 or less. Woo hoo!

[javadog]

Originally Posted by masraum

Oh, and by the way, my Boxster is better because it's got 8 more hp than the Cayman. I am pretty sure, that was the only time the Boxster was rated for more HP than the Cayman. The 2008 Boxster Spyder RS60 was rated for 303hp (first 987 to "break 300hp"). All of the rest of the 987s were rated at 295 or less. Woo hoo!

Pretty sure only the RS spyder had that 303hp, largely because of the exhaust system.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by javadog

Pretty sure only the RS spyder had that 303hp, largely because of the exhaust system.

That's what I've read. I understand that the PSE on the RS60 is slightly different from the normal PSE.

I've had a person or two say that it wasn't the exhaust but that they had a different head gaskets.

I'm sure that's possible too, or maybe it's the exhaust.

[javadog]

Porsche said it was the exhaust. Who knows?

For Afterburner…

The sport Chrono option isn’t one I used all that much. It tightens the suspension, changes the relationship between throttle pedal travel and throttlebody opening and turns on the sport exhaust, if equipped. You also got a (eyesore) dash mounted stopwatch that most people never used.

The sport setting in the PASM suspension was too stiff for most roads and changing the throttle relationship just made the car more difficult to drive, if you were used to driving it with that off.

If you don’t have Sport Chrono but you do have a sport exhaust option, the sport button just turns that on and off and changes nothing else.