The questions becomes what would have made Ethan's parents wake up to the fact that they had a alienated kid? Certainly the call down to the school where they were showed disturbing evidence of something gravely amiss didn't do it...

Fact is... THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE A PROBLEM OR DEAL WITH IT. With mommy texting Ethan "Dont do it" they had some inkling that their child was on the edge..

Then what did Mommy and Daddy do but flee...when they were going to be held accountable...

So now Ethan can smile and say, "Try getting out of this one Mommy and Daddy." They are lookin at 60 years plus 30K each..for sumthin JR did.

American society has become one of denial and not wanting to deal with reality in a responsible fashion. That has been the essence of my message for decades..Writ large everybody can take a look at this nations numbers and see if they chose just how BK this nation is..and nobody is responsible enough to want to deal with it..in that even the best of the savers are complicit, you just keep saying how wonderful you are doing while Rome burns.. BTW the numbers are SYMPTOM AND NOT CAUSATION.

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."Writ large everybody can take a look at this nations numbers and see if they chose just how BK this nation is..and nobody is responsible enough to want to deal with it..in that even the best of the savers are complicit, you just keep saying how wonderful you are doing while Rome burns..
My case rests...

We can blame the law industry. From the low level scum lawyer we'll sue "it ain't your fault you put hot coffee in your lap" to Biden, Sanders, etal "it ain't your fault you have nine kids you can't afford or went to college and have to pay the bill.

No personal responsibility. The lawyers keep making laws to make themselves richer.

tabs, what you miss is that parents have always been 'young dumb kids' who oops... what's this?

It is up to the kids to make it in this juggling-act world.

This is known as passing the buck...weasel words to avoid taking responsibility...can you take responsibility for anything?

Well there is a thing called a father to help guide the youngins through life...get them started on the right track...and help em stay on it.

An if that ain't enugh there is a belief in God to help you with your existential struggle...bad things happen when you kill God and he is no longer there to help guide you...

Secular Rationalism is all well and good when tempered with a Spiritual belief to help maintain balance. when that spiritual belief is denigrated and denied an internal void appears as suddenly 50000 years of mans moral foundation disappears... and when left to his own devices he can be quiet creative in how depraved he can be...

People just do not understand what they are dealing with and the consequences of their actions. Stability in the personality disappears...and it turns into a shrieking horror show...right out of Dante's Inferno.

Jung is the great co/founder of writing Secular empirical equations about the mans psyche and spiritual/religious nature which is known as psychology..without his explorations into the deep man would still be subject to believing in magic..and superstition. So when one mentions God it is not promotion religion or a particular belief. It is an empirical truth about mans nature.

The empirical bottom line is that mans beliefs in a deity and precepts are based upon over 50000 years of collective memory..mans history and when you seek to deny those beliefs.. you destroy the foundations of mans consciousness and humanity where you might as well just be an unconscious animal in the jungle.

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when I was 20 years old I had a dream where I descended into he11 where I met Jesus Christ who told me that "Everybody has to do their time in he11."

Think Jungian primal archetype.

...and he nails the landing.

Is that rehtorical?

Originally Posted by drcoastline View Post
We can blame the law industry.

This is your blaming some group for all the ills of society.. Which means you are not at fault, but are in essence an innocent victim of that group. I suggest that you square yourself up, comb your hair down and take a good long look in the mirror to see your own complicity in the matter. No one is without fault, and then take responsibility for your behavior by confessing your crimes..

It is the WOKE thing to do..

We all blame your mother, Tabby.

Ascribing underlying meaning and scope to some limited perception is something humans excel at.
Training makes all the difference.

Education and IQ does not seem to make a diff..as evidenced by the correspondents on this Board. They are all mired in the mud perception-ally

I had an epiphany on the road to Damascus..a great conscious awakening..

Both sides see that a problem exists, but both sides see it from different points of view. With a tendency to blame the other. Almost all see things from a single pov. A few can see both sides and virtually none can see the true nature of the problem itself.

One plane of perception, two planes of perception and the third plane of perception..

What I am writing here is a description of something that I do and have figured out on my own.. Lately I started listening to Jordan Peterson talks starting with his political stance.From there I went to Jung because Peterson was in awe of him. To my surprise in the Resolution section of Jungs Red Book he describes the same 3 planes of perception in about the same way.. Also Jung used the symbolic imagery of traveling through the desert and descent into he11 as I have..I classify that as being on the same wave length So I do not find that Jung is teaching me anything but importantly is affirming what I already have worked out and know.

Mother should've never pushed ya Tabby ;)

But he is absolutely right. Most can only see from one point of view ( that is, if they look at all).
Even among the members of this board, there are those who divide almost everything into "them " and "us".
So many threads devolve into pages of pointless restatement of the same blinkered thinking.
Most of us can be better than that, but we have to try to stop creating categories of "them".
It is our problem. All of it.

Best
Les

Amen.

You are absolutely correct.... but "they" don't see it ;)

Tell me what your culpability is..confess your crimes...and then you can begin to redeem yourself..

In the new America....you can confess you crimes and be executed for them, or you can be found guilty of them and be executed for them. Your choice..

Ifn U Boyz care to remember I have publicly confessed that I am a Racist..When I see two young black men walking down the street I automatically think they are up to no good. That is pejorative...

So I can now revel in being a racist..enjoy it like sipping on a fine wine...I hate white people...

Tabs, i suppose the good news is, since racism is learned, it can also be unlearned. Unfortunately unlearning anything is difficult, as we see here, most days.

Best
Les