I Blame My Mother
 

When I burned the house down with my parents in it, I told the judge that I blame my Mother for ignoring all my pleas for help.

Finally America's situational excellence has caught up with them..Denial of knowing your child is exhibiting criminal tendencies is no longer an excuse...now parents have to engage with their children on an emotional level and can no longer deny nor sweep under the rug that Ethan just isn't a misunderstood child.. Now parents are being held responsible for what amounts to criminal indifference.. Just ask the Crumbley's..

The school also bares responsibility, they should have held firm and Suspended lil Ethan. Pending the the parents taking the situation seriously, taking responsibility and taking action. The parents did none of that.

The first question that should have been asked of Ethan is why do you need help. What is going on with you? No body seemed to care about how Ethan felt to even ask. You would think that his parents would care. But they didn't...an in that sense of nobody care about me not even my parents comes a sense of emptiness and nihilism...Which can lead to bad things happening.

I would even surmise that his parents ignoring the graphic pictures he had drawn which caused them to be summoned to the school was the final act that pushed him over the edge. Well I will show you, I will do something that you can't ignore..

I don't expect any of you to take what I have said here seriously or to heart, American society is one of denial and irresponsibility..you can't be bothered. Now you are reaping what you have sown..Expect a lot more of the same.

Agreed under certain circumstances. Here in Swedistan the issue of parental responsibility is by and large a cricket farm. We are gold medalists in Europe with gun shootings and murders. With very few exceptions its non ethnically Swedish youngsters in the age of 14 - 20 years. They get off with a basic slap on the wrist in our ignorant system. The parents always blame socioeconomic factors. They want more money. Which of course will solve absolutely nothing. There is no economic price on morality. It needs to be taught from very young age.

Look at the You Tube vids Jordan Peterson Nightmare...which is paraphrasing of CG Jungs AION. I had thought that I have been around the block on this stuff so no sweat...but I think it was after #4 vid...that all the numbers just seemed to cascade down causing tossing and turning..reaching a conclusion that in the absence of a moral foundation humans are want to commit unspeakable depravity. We do it in the name of the State, an Ideology or science and tech...We make them into a religion..

What is coming will make the NAZI's look like saints..

13 year old around here from well heeled parents said "I'm going to get a gun permit" in the context of being angry at another thirteen year old talking to his girlfriend at school.

School bounced him out for ten days within minutes of saying it. "Come get your kid".

What is this? Are you kidding me?

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I think when Ethan, and his parents met in the school office only hours before the shooting, perhaps the school should have had the local police escort the young man out of the school, and taken him to the station for some questioning/evaluation. Rather than allowing his parents to refuse to acknowledge the problem, and not take him home, he could have gotten some professional help just in time.

Hindsight/20/20

Ethan just the latest example. Years ago, it was Kip Kinkle here. Folks had bought him guns because "finally something he showed an interest in".

But they weren't prosecuted...nope.

You see, he killed them both before taking off for school.

I am not up to speed on what the parents did or didn't do prior to the meeting at the school? I don't know if there were warning soigns or not? Was the gun a menas to try and engage him in something? I don't know.

I am also not sure how the gun was in the kids posession undeteced by the parents?

All that being said I agree with everything you said.

So which is it? Zero tolerance, or not? Remember the clock bomb kid?

How about the latest splash in the pan of the girl who was handcuffed and taken from school. Mother went straight to CNN. However, the picture drawn was never shown, but enough to get the school to call the police. No image, but the content was described as:

He said the drawing depicted a girl holding and pointing a gun “with a severed head at her feet. Your client also wrote a clear message addressed to two classmates by name.”

The message included foul language, including, “F*ckin’ days are over NOW.”

From here: https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/11/10/response-10-year-olds-arrest-hpd-says-offensive-drawing-was-credible-threat/

What is missing is the ability for the school to get rid of some kids. For two long they have had to taken everyone by law. FINALLY there is a crack in the door and the worst of the folks that shouldn't be in school can be ejected.

the school dropped the ball.

there needs to be training for teachers and staff on signs to look for and then WHAT to do about it,
yes the teachers did their job.
there also needs to be a check list of questions that need to be asked.

the parents did not take the kid then they should have called the police.
the kid should not have been allowed back in class.


there was a kid un my daughters class that made some allegations of killing or something along those lines,
the kid was never allowed back as far as I can remember.
this was probably 10-15 years ago

I'm guessing, but probably an educated guess...that all of these school shooters have being bullied in common.

The school may have dropped the ball but the parents screwed up royally.... WTF were they thinking ... or not thinking?

And yes... I grew up with both grandfathers having a loaded 12 ga leaning in the corner ... shot one at nine on Thanksgiving day.

Times change...

Here in NZ we tend to sort things out in a massive fist fight. Then tend to become best friends afterwards - sounds odd I know, but it seems to work out well.

That's old school, we did the same thing.

Even the meanest gangs in the 50's used knives. That's old school.

And I never heard of a kid taking a knife to school and cutting random kids in the hallway.

Now that we're here, where does it stop? I don't think it does. I feel sorry for my granddaughters. I wish they could just have a peep at better times.

I taught high school from the seventies to the nineties in a low income area of gangs and problem kids whose parents couldn't care less what they did as long as they left them alone. Since I was somehow able to manage the kids, they put an inordinate number in my classes. At the time, I looked at other teachers' classes and wondered why they didn't have the same mix of the type of kids I had. Much later on when I was doing another job, one of the administrators told me they did put a larger proportion of problem kids in my classes.
I can only comment on what I saw from what school administrators did all of the time. They let things ride knowing situations would almost always work out and cool down, mostly throught the efforts of the teachers. They didn't want those higher up to know anything was wrong on their watch, & if they just didn't do anything and let the situation pass, things looked OK. I got into trouble once when I told a principal he "needed to get some balls and get out there & do something." Another time I had five asian kids come into the classroom to attack a hispanic kid who had been hastling one of their friends. I grabbed two of them & told the other teacher (combined classes & two teachers) to grab two more to take to the office - which he never did of course. The female principal, when I dragged the two kids into her office and told her what had happened, & that I was going back to the classroom to get control said, "Now if you are going to do things like this, we can't have you on campus." I told her to call the police because an assault had been committed in my classroom. Of course she didn't because that would have indicated a problem. The outcome was that we all got telephones in our classrooms. I have other similar stories.

Good God. My stepdaughter taught 'disadvantaged' kids in Lawndale. IDK what disadvantaged meant but it seemed like anyone that didn't fit in elsewhere. I really don't know how she accomplished what she did, but she was on a fast track to become someone with authority in that district.

Unfortunately, health problems set in rather suddenly and she couldn't continue. She did go back and tried to work a few days but it was obvious that she wasn't up to the task. So she's on disability. That's unfortunate too because she had the passion to deal with what you did.

I have a lot of respect for people like you. I would not have come close to any accomplishment of that nature.

Parents today are not what our parents were. We for some reason think that being a parent today is being mature and responsible. It is sad but just because you can feed and shelter your offsprings as a parent doesn't mean you are capable of teaching them any guidelines for living with other people.
Raising children in today's political climate can't succeed like our parents did so well.

So who raised today's parents?

The questions becomes what would have made Ethan's parents wake up to the fact that they had a alienated kid? Certainly the call down to the school where they were showed disturbing evidence of something gravely amiss didn't do it...

Fact is... THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE A PROBLEM OR DEAL WITH IT. With mommy texting Ethan "Dont do it" they had some inkling that their child was on the edge..

Then what did Mommy and Daddy do but flee...when they were going to be held accountable...

So now Ethan can smile and say, "Try getting out of this one Mommy and Daddy." They are lookin at 60 years plus 30K each..for sumthin JR did.

American society has become one of denial and not wanting to deal with reality in a responsible fashion. That has been the essence of my message for decades..Writ large everybody can take a look at this nations numbers and see if they chose just how BK this nation is..and nobody is responsible enough to want to deal with it..in that even the best of the savers are complicit, you just keep saying how wonderful you are doing while Rome burns.. BTW the numbers are SYMPTOM AND NOT CAUSATION.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/1108182-i-made-lot-money.html

."Writ large everybody can take a look at this nations numbers and see if they chose just how BK this nation is..and nobody is responsible enough to want to deal with it..in that even the best of the savers are complicit, you just keep saying how wonderful you are doing while Rome burns..
My case rests...

We can blame the law industry. From the low level scum lawyer we'll sue "it ain't your fault you put hot coffee in your lap" to Biden, Sanders, etal "it ain't your fault you have nine kids you can't afford or went to college and have to pay the bill.

No personal responsibility. The lawyers keep making laws to make themselves richer.

tabs, what you miss is that parents have always been 'young dumb kids' who oops... what's this?

It is up to the kids to make it in this juggling-act world.

This is known as passing the buck...weasel words to avoid taking responsibility...can you take responsibility for anything?

Well there is a thing called a father to help guide the youngins through life...get them started on the right track...and help em stay on it.

An if that ain't enugh there is a belief in God to help you with your existential struggle...bad things happen when you kill God and he is no longer there to help guide you...

Secular Rationalism is all well and good when tempered with a Spiritual belief to help maintain balance. when that spiritual belief is denigrated and denied an internal void appears as suddenly 50000 years of mans moral foundation disappears... and when left to his own devices he can be quiet creative in how depraved he can be...

People just do not understand what they are dealing with and the consequences of their actions. Stability in the personality disappears...and it turns into a shrieking horror show...right out of Dante's Inferno.

Jung is the great co/founder of writing Secular empirical equations about the mans psyche and spiritual/religious nature which is known as psychology..without his explorations into the deep man would still be subject to believing in magic..and superstition. So when one mentions God it is not promotion religion or a particular belief. It is an empirical truth about mans nature.

The empirical bottom line is that mans beliefs in a deity and precepts are based upon over 50000 years of collective memory..mans history and when you seek to deny those beliefs.. you destroy the foundations of mans consciousness and humanity where you might as well just be an unconscious animal in the jungle.

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when I was 20 years old I had a dream where I descended into he11 where I met Jesus Christ who told me that "Everybody has to do their time in he11."

Think Jungian primal archetype.

...and he nails the landing.

Is that rehtorical?

Originally Posted by drcoastline View Post
We can blame the law industry.

This is your blaming some group for all the ills of society.. Which means you are not at fault, but are in essence an innocent victim of that group. I suggest that you square yourself up, comb your hair down and take a good long look in the mirror to see your own complicity in the matter. No one is without fault, and then take responsibility for your behavior by confessing your crimes..

It is the WOKE thing to do..

We all blame your mother, Tabby.

Ascribing underlying meaning and scope to some limited perception is something humans excel at.
Training makes all the difference.

Education and IQ does not seem to make a diff..as evidenced by the correspondents on this Board. They are all mired in the mud perception-ally

I had an epiphany on the road to Damascus..a great conscious awakening..

Both sides see that a problem exists, but both sides see it from different points of view. With a tendency to blame the other. Almost all see things from a single pov. A few can see both sides and virtually none can see the true nature of the problem itself.

One plane of perception, two planes of perception and the third plane of perception..

What I am writing here is a description of something that I do and have figured out on my own.. Lately I started listening to Jordan Peterson talks starting with his political stance.From there I went to Jung because Peterson was in awe of him. To my surprise in the Resolution section of Jungs Red Book he describes the same 3 planes of perception in about the same way.. Also Jung used the symbolic imagery of traveling through the desert and descent into he11 as I have..I classify that as being on the same wave length So I do not find that Jung is teaching me anything but importantly is affirming what I already have worked out and know.

Mother should've never pushed ya Tabby ;)

But he is absolutely right. Most can only see from one point of view ( that is, if they look at all).
Even among the members of this board, there are those who divide almost everything into "them " and "us".
So many threads devolve into pages of pointless restatement of the same blinkered thinking.
Most of us can be better than that, but we have to try to stop creating categories of "them".
It is our problem. All of it.

Best
Les

Amen.

You are absolutely correct.... but "they" don't see it ;)

Tell me what your culpability is..confess your crimes...and then you can begin to redeem yourself..

In the new America....you can confess you crimes and be executed for them, or you can be found guilty of them and be executed for them. Your choice..

Ifn U Boyz care to remember I have publicly confessed that I am a Racist..When I see two young black men walking down the street I automatically think they are up to no good. That is pejorative...

So I can now revel in being a racist..enjoy it like sipping on a fine wine...I hate white people...

Tabs, i suppose the good news is, since racism is learned, it can also be unlearned. Unfortunately unlearning anything is difficult, as we see here, most days.

Best
Les