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Only one...very happy where I live.

Are you guys hiring for people or something?

It sounds like your hiring manager is crap.

I have a pretty serious aversion to face tats.
Not a fan.

I was mentioning to a buddy this am about a guy that was shot dead in a car-jacking incident nearby. Covered up to his jaw line in tats.

If you get decorated like a thug, you may have a nasty ending.

My opinion.

Those sort of tats are showing your attitude towards the world. Maybe the nicest person ever. But they are putting out a vibe that says otherwise. On purpose. Me? I would be VERY hesitant to hire him.

First, I would delete the photos in thread. Just in case. Then I would have a conversation with entire management team.

You’re not getting the people you want. You need to figure out why. It may not be what people want to hear but ignoring it won’t make it get better.

It seems that when you decide to cover your head, face, hands with tattoos, you also decided that closing doors is ok with you.

They don't call those tats the "ever lasting job stopper" for nothing...

What does this have to do with race? You don't want gangbangers and thugs working there, put it in the ad - clean criminal background check required, no visible tattoos in work attire. That should weed them out.

I remember what Brian Setzer said about this. "Best advice my dad ever gave me was to never get a tattoo where the judge can see it."

Training? There should be at least two new job openings now .... WTF was somebody thinking?

Those guy would never make it pass my front door to drop off any applications. No fking way. I with Rick, I don't see how this is a race issue.

I most likely wouldn't hire the guy.

But...

What job was he hired for?
What are the job qualifications?
Did he meet the qualifications?

In a previous job I had daily interactions with a guy from another company. He looked very close to the guy in the picture, though not quite as heavily tatted up. He was as knowledgeable and helpful as anyone else in the organization, probably more so.

I would delete the photos.

Yeah...no!!! I would not feel comfortable working around that guy. I know "they" say don't judge a book by it's cover but I'd be cautious around that one.

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Judging a book by its cover is human nature

None of these matter

13, like MS 13 probably

They do matter.

May be the most qualified and hardest worker around.

Probably?

I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like the owner will handle it.

My bad, more likely Mexican mafia, see what a 5 second internet search can tell you


If you read the OP, you would realize, totally immaterial.

Oh, and the woman who called this racist, idiot.

I wouldn't consider it a racist remark.

13 = thirteenth letter of the alphabet, "M". Sometimes "marijuana" but most likely "Sureños" or Mexican Mafia.

He's got the Raiders T-shirt, most likely wearing black Nike "Cortez" shoes also. Probably recently released from prison (due to COVID). There are volunteers who do laser tattoo removal to help ex-cons reenter the workplace but probably a backlog due to, what else, COVID.

That guy's wearing the official gang banger uniform....I personally wouldn't reward those decisions.

Maybe he needs a job so he can save money for laser tattoo removal.

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That's like a hooker saying she's changed and now wants a nice guy. :eek::eek::eek:
Sometimes one has to live with their poor decisions...

I'm a glass is half full kind of guy. Those tats are extreme however.

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That’s not the body language I would display if I were trying to get a job. Imagine what he might be like once he’s been hired a whole and not trying so hard.

Your company needs new HR director.

The OP said this guy is a new hire and in training . At your company are new hires on a probation period ? If yes this guy has that time period to prove his worth or his flaws . Just like anyone else . Would I have hired him ? Nope . Is that based on his appearance ? Yes guilty as charged .

What did his background check look like ? Did he pass a drug test ? I am old school and don't get the mindset of looking like a human billboard , in my opinion that masks deeper issues . If/when you have to terminate I suggest you have security in the room . Good luck

At least three new openings imo.

HR director, a hiring manager, and at least one trainee...

Yep ... sorta like screwing your way to virginity.

I agree with your original post and this post. All I can really ad is proceed with caution your HR manager is going to be your problem based on that comment you said she stated.

I do not think there is anything illegal about not hiring gang memebrs or people with Tattos. That doesn't mean a suit could not be brought for desrimination. I recall a few suits in years past based on clothing, jewelry, hair styles and tattoos as they were considered part of "Ethnic Attire". I don't recall how they turned out though.

Contact your insurance agent and verify you have employment practices liability before you do anything.

Wilnj is correct: Take the photo down -

Maybe you need to review requirements and standards for hires with the HR department.

At my place all hires are required:
take a drug test
pass a background check

The requirements get more specific for the type of work:
Factory hires:
safety glasses w/ side shields
steel toed shoes
ear protection
no dangling jewelry
Long sleeves
gloves
the list is quite long depending on the position


We have a controls engineer who wears long sleeve shirts because his has tattoos full length on both arms. A consistent policy helps and it needs to be enforced.

My former employer had a policy that tattoos were strictly forbidden for sales reps. All other employees had to keep them covered when dealing with the industry. I dealt with FDA and was strictly forbidden from having visible tats.

Yeah, right.

If so, maybe the company can pay for the removal and deduct said cost from his paycheck.

Think that'll happen?

That was my 1st thought, he looks totally not interested, almost like he's been told he has to get a job

Agree your company needs a new HR director

Not racist, your HR manager is, at a minimum, overly sensitive. What are the pre hire requirements? Pre hire drug tests are going away with mj becoming increasingly legal. I don't like them anyway. I'd rather see strict drug testing for any work related issue or impairment. Hiring has gotten tough with everyone expecting big bucks for flipping burgers or similar. A good background check will catch prior criminal offenses but that assumes someone was caught.

The number "13" indicates that he is/was a gang member affiliated with Southern California. The "13" correlates to the 13th letter in the alphabet (M) in which the street gang allies with the Mexican Mafia (eMe). Almost all of the Southern California Hispanic street gangs include the "13" as well as some of the Northern California street gangs.

The number "14" is the 14th letter in the alphabet (N) and indicates allegiance to the Nuestra Familia (NF), which is another Hispanic prison gang and bitter rival to the eMe.

It is strange, but there are some northern gangs that ally with the eMe, and there are some southern Hispanic gangs that ally with NF.

HR managers do like to flex their wokeness. - and dehumanize people as 'racist' to gain relative stature. (in their twisted woke-world)

Did you point out how shady this guy was for not wearing a mask? :D

Dude just needs a Covid mask, dark shades, and a hoodie ....

HR director's office has his name on the door :D

I have to completely agree with this.

Now maybe the poor soul was a bad little gangbanger and just got released from the big house. Part of his parole would be finding a job, so he can be a productive member of society. He might regret all the facial tats, but what is he going to do about it now ? The major thing to worry about is recidivism. How likely is it that he will go back to his old ways.
I would think that an HR person worth their salt, would be able to determine that by his conduct in the interview, his answers, and demeanor during said interview. He has made it to training, so he must have been good in his interview or he just got one over on your HR.
I don't know what to think. Either he got involved with the wrong crowd early on or he is pretty hardened.
Methinks this is in the boss's ball court.

Two kinds of problems in the world - theirs and mine. This is one of theirs.

Grow his hair out? Wear a hat? Find a laser?

This man is clearly not interested in playing nice in society.