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recycled sixtie 12-23-2021 06:33 AM

I have owned an early Austin Mini, an MGB and a TR3. None of them ever left me stranded on the side of the road. But living in Winnipeg and Calgary these cars were ice boxes in winter. Maximum heat just took the chill out of the cold air in winter but would be just fine in California. Still miss those cars. I test drove a used Austin Healy 3000 in the late 1960's but it had a rust hole right behind the convertible top. I passed in favor of a used TR3 but this rusted later.:eek:

HobieMarty 12-23-2021 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ZOO (Post 11554737)
They do sound lovely with the right exhaust . . . I've only been in one, once, a long time ago.

Yes, the Monza system I had on mine really gave it a deep growl.

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GH85Carrera 12-23-2021 06:40 AM

Back in 1974 I bought a brand new 74 914 2.0. At that same time one of my dad's friends bought a new TR6. He offered to let me drive it, so I took it for a little spin on my favorite loop of off and on ramps of the interstate. It was a horrible little rattly car, and it was really hard to think of anything positive to say to him. I let him drive my 914 with me in it, and that 95 HP mid engine made him jealous. He was not fond of the shifter, but the brakes and the overall quality was simply better in my primitive 914. I was really happy I went with the Porsche.

About the same era, one of the guys I met at the local foreign parts store had a highly modified Spridget. Half Sprite half Midget. It had super low gearing and topped out at 65 MPH. With the national speed limit of 55 he figured that was enough for him. He had huge fender flares and wide tires. He was a fun competition at the local autocross. We were in different classes, but I could usually beat his times.

I know the 914 has gotten really expensive in recent years. I have no clue about the British cars of the era.

HobieMarty 12-23-2021 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickshu (Post 11554736)
My Dad has a 1972 TR6 he restored in the past few years. You want a 1973 or earlier. From 1974 on they are choked horribly by emissions equipment, worse by the year. If you can find one with the factory overdrive transmission it's very rare.

One thing worth noting on the TR6, they were designed for RHD. For USA LHD models when you sit in the car your feet/legs/body is angled to the left with the gas pedal about in the center of the footwell b/c of the transmission tunnel. It's a weird seating position. Plus the ignition key is between your legs, under the steering column. The first time I drove it I really found it odd, I guess you would get used to it.

There is an outfit called Goodparts that makes lots of special parts that overcome some of the Brits "design shortcomings" including suspension and cooling. They are very simple cars and cheap to restore. Literally everything is made for it aftermarket you can even buy an entire replacement frame. Almost all parts are shared across other Leyland models, MG, etc.

Helps that Top Gear guys voted the TR6 "the best blokes car ever built". I love the look of the TR6, but like pretty much ALL old cars for me, they are fun to look at but horrible to drive.

Mine was a 1976 but my parts car was a 1973. The parts car was complete with engine and drive train, paid 600 bucks cash for that one just to get the frame. We swapped out the intake and exhaust manifolds and got rid of all the emissions stuff, and put the free-flow Monza exhaust system under it and all combined really made for better performance.
When I needed parts, I got them from a company called "The Roadster Factory", I actually still have some of their catalogs from back then.

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flatbutt 12-23-2021 06:44 AM

I had a TR6 back in the mid 70's but not sure about the vintage. It was a heap in beautiful British racing green. I had waaaay too much fun in that thing while it fell apart around me. I had no money for upkeep and wish I did because it was YUGE fun.

Scott Douglas 12-23-2021 06:56 AM

Fella in our 'hood has a TR6 that he's cleaned up really nicely. Pretty car, great colors etc., was pretty nice when he bought it, only nicer now as he's done lots of stuff to it. I really was kind of jealous of him having it, until I got a ride in it. Cramped compared to my old P-cars, and you really do sit down low in them. I used to want one in my garage, but now I'm happy just to admire those others have.

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SCadaddle 12-23-2021 06:58 AM

Back in high school and college I used to compete, as a "guest", with the local SCCA club autocrosses against 2 of their members in E stock. I had a 79 Fiat X 1/9, and the other 2 guys had a Mk 1 spitfire and an MGA.

The timer would frequently fail when the other 2 guys had their runs. It NEVER failed when I took my laps.

I was probably 50-50 in beating the Spitfire, but I never could beat the MGA. I think he was the Secretary-Treasurer of the Club. :D

HobieMarty 12-23-2021 07:00 AM

Yeah, I found out the hard way about the cost of things when I got out on my own. When something broke on the car, it was a bit expensive to get it fixed. Of course I was young and dumb at the time and could do better with one now.
Dad had a Mk 1 Spitfire back in the early 70's but he didn't have it very long. My mother had a brand new MGB in 1977 when we lived in Destin. That MGB had every option available, even had a hard top with sunroof and electric overdrive and wire wheels. I was actually looking for a MGB when I found my TR6.
Funny thing about the electrics. When I first got the car, I remember checking everything and pulled on the little hazard light switch. The lights started blinking like the should and after a few seconds, smoke started coming out from behind the wood dash at the switch and there was a sizzling sound!!! I quickly pushed the switch back in and it all stopped. I never pulled the switch again. Lol,
Good times.


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masraum 12-23-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 11554936)
Yeah, I found out the hard way about the cost of things when I got out on my own. When something broke on the car, it was a bit expensive to get it fixed. Of course I was young and dumb at the time and could do better with one now.
Dad had a Mk 1 Spitfire back in the early 70's but he didn't have it very long. My mother had a brand new MGB in 1977 when we lived in Destin. That MGB had every option available, even had a hard top with sunroof and electric overdrive and wire wheels. I was actually looking for a MGB when I found my TR6.
Funny thing about the electrics. When I first got the car, I remember checking everything and pulled on the little hazard light switch. The lights started blinking like the should and after a few seconds, smoke started coming out from behind the wood dash at the switch and there was a sizzling sound!!! I quickly pushed the switch back in and it all stopped. I never pulled the switch again. Lol,
Good times.


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ROFLMAO.

Dr, it hurts when I hit my thumb with a hammer...

HobieMarty 12-23-2021 07:31 AM

Another funny story about when I first got my TR6. Our driveway was on a slight hill, not super steep, but a gradual slope. I had parked the car on the grass to the side of the concrete driveway, had the top down, took the car out of gear, and set the parking brake. I got out of the car and shut the door. When I shut the door, all of a sudden the car started rolling and I jumped behind the car to try to stop it. I should've jumped in the car but no, dummy me at 18 years old, I jump behind the blasted thing thinking I can stop the slow roll which was picking up speed!!!
So here I am sliding, car is rolling and the shoes I have on are like Wallabees, with no tread on them whatsoever, didn't help my situation!!! We, the car and I, go sliding down the side of the driveway, we pass the mailbox and now are in the street. On the other side of the street are vacant wooded lots and beyond that would be a canal. Now out in the street my shoes get a little traction and I managed to get the car stopped just at the opposite side of the street. I remember pushing off of the curb and getting it to stop completely. I looked around and nobody had witnessed any of this, not a person in sight. I collected myself, got my keys out, hopped in the car and started it up, pulled it back to where it had originally been parked, it off and left it in 1st gear. From then on, even though I had the parking brake fixed, I always parked the car with it in gear.
These pics were taken when I first got the car. You can see it has the temporary paper tag on it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d723dd24e7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9018ff0d7a.jpg

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HobieMarty 12-23-2021 07:37 AM

This shows where I parked the car in my story. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9b4535c157.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f1cdd2dbef.jpg

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HobieMarty 12-23-2021 07:42 AM

These were taken in 1987 at Tango Mar. Tango Mar is about a half mile west of the Sandestin Beach Resort.
Best summer of my life, living at the beach, driving a red sportscar!!! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c2aa02b176.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...718503e2c8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f4f509084c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...413643f063.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f914a445ef.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...25c733cd82.jpg

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masraum 12-23-2021 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 11554982)
Another funny story about when I first got my TR6. Our driveway was on a slight hill, not super steep, but a gradual slope. I had parked the car on the grass to the side of the concrete driveway, had the top down, took the car out of gear, and set the parking brake. I got out of the car and shut the door. When I shut the door, all of a sudden the car started rolling and I jumped behind the car to try to stop it. I should've jumped in the car but no, dummy me at 18 years old, I jump behind the blasted thing thinking I can stop the slow roll which was picking up speed!!!
So here I am sliding, car is rolling and the shoes I have on are like Wallabees, with no tread on them whatsoever, didn't help my situation!!! We, the car and I, go sliding down the side of the driveway, we pass the mailbox and now are in the street. On the other side of the street are vacant wooded lots and beyond that would be a canal. Now out in the street my shoes get a little traction and I managed to get the car stopped just at the opposite side of the street. I remember pushing off of the curb and getting it to stop completely. I looked around and nobody had witnessed any of this, not a person in sight. I collected myself, got my keys out, hopped in the car and started it up, pulled it back to where it had originally been parked, it off and left it in 1st gear. From then on, even though I had the parking brake fixed, I always parked the car with it in gear.


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Yep, with a manual trans car, always in gear. Parking brakes these days are pretty reliable, but in the past, not as much. I've also had a car that did not have the parking brake set, but was in gear pop out of gear and roll into another car. That was fun.

HobieMarty 12-23-2021 08:53 AM

Yep, I look back on that story and laugh, but it would've definitely been a different outcome had the thing knocked me down and run over me. Lol.

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LWJ 12-23-2021 09:00 AM

The TR6 is interesting.

I am a fan of British cars. Spent a ton of time with a 65 MGB that I loved. Think Tr2/3/4/250's are awesome. I would enjoy a GT6. (Don't really like the Spitfires however)

But I just don't care about the TR6.

They look funny. (I get it, I like a TR4 and 250!) They seem to be a crummier qualilty (Considering I have never driven one, that is an ignorant comment)

It is probably the era. Early 1970's was a pretty low point in auto design. As we transitioned into emission friendly & crash friendly cars, the charm sort of fell away. I think this is the issue with the TR6. Similarly, a rubber bumper MGB is an absolute atrocity!

gregpark 12-23-2021 09:08 AM

About 5 years ago I ran across a 1973 MGB roadster for sale. The last year of chrome bumpers and low stance.. I snapped it up before someone else did. 22K original miles parked in a garage for all those years. All original of course and cleaned up like new. The door buttons were recessed half way so I took the door panels off to access the mechanism and fixed both sides easily. The padded rail at the top of the door cards is a stick of wood! 1x2 poplar by the looks of it. I couldn't believe they were actually still using wood in a 1973 automobile. I decided to check suspension components, wtf are the shocks? A single short arm coming out of a small box. No wonder I wasn't overwhelmed with the handling. The engine ran great but performed and sounded like a 1940s design, most likely because it is! Cute little car though and I sold it without even advertising. A guy saw it downtown and had to have it. I paid 3K, put a new battery in, cleaned it up and sold it for 8k 2 weeks after buying it. Now 5 years later it's worth at least 3 times that. Wish I had hung on to it longer now but oh well, it was an easy 5 grand flip.

Tishabet 12-23-2021 10:16 AM

I feel about the same level of fondness for the TR6 and the MGB and the MGB-GT... I wouldn't kick one out of bed, but not really my dream car. But if you step back just a few years and into the era of the TR3, MGA, Austin Healey Bugeye Sprite and 3000 and BN7....
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Seahawk 12-23-2021 10:28 AM

My Father was a British car fan. Our family cars were Jag MK II's for years.

A parade of other British b(r)ands followed (Super 7's, Europa, other Jags, a rescue TR, MG) and we were fine until the weird Italian stuff started showing up.

We had an intervention. :cool:

I loved working on them with my Dad and have nothing but fond memories and, since we were in California, semi rust free.

The art of driving fast slow is all I can say.

I did have a female English teacher my senior year in HS that drove a TR 4 in BRG. Toss up on which one was cuter. I'd have driven either.

masraum 12-23-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 11555181)
My Father was a British car fan. Our family cars were Jag MK II's for years.

A parade of other British b(r)ands followed (Super 7's, Europa, other Jags, a rescue TR, MG) and we were fine until the weird Italian stuff started showing up.

We had an intervention. :cool:

I loved working on them with my Dad and have nothing but fond memories and, since we were in California, semi rust free.

The art of driving fast slow is all I can say.

I did have a female English teacher my senior year in HS that drove a TR 4 in BRG. Toss up on which one was cuter. I'd have driven either.

I remember when I was about 3-4, my dad (6'2" and ~200# drove an MG Midget, and brought home a big German Shepherd. It was quite the picture.
Before I was born, he had a Bugeye Sprite and an AH 3000. I can't remember if he had any other Brit cars. I know he had a VW bug or two, and a Corvair or two before I was born. I think most of his cars were domestic and or V-8 (put the Corvairs in the previous list as they are/were unusual compared to the run of the mill 60s domestics.

dw1 12-23-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11554464)
Looks decent with some surface rust in spots . Seller says rear frame rails have surface rust only , I guess that's a common rust point ?

Before I "graduated" to my 911 as my "weekend" car, I had a TR3A, TR6 and TR8. The TR6 was fun, but more than a bit crude and noisy, especially compared to the TR8. Remember that the TR6 was really an update of the TR4 & TR250 and as such is really a late-50's/early 60's design mechanically. The TR6 was also notably slow in modern terms; 0-60 in something over 10 seconds for US-spec cars.

There is ALWAYS more rust that first appears. Just ask any owner of a pre-galvanized 911.

I could not help but laugh when the seller says that it is "only surface rust".

Previous posts have provided a comprehensive list of things to examine, but also please note that these are relatively easy to fix and maintain cars, and that parts are readily available. If, however, rust has taken ahold of the frame - walk away quickly. There are quite a few of them out there for reasonably prices.

I luckily had the strength to walk away from an MGA that was complete and ran but needed virtually every part replaced. Same with a local Austin Healey 3000 MkIII that looked ok from the top (lots of Bondo evidence, however), but the frame was little more than oil-covered rust. It takes guts to know when to walk away, but I learned from my mistakes. My current 911 needed a lot of TLC (I got it from the original owner who lost interest in it), but it was mechanically and structurally sound and that made all the difference.

Btw, The Roadster Factory and Moss Motors were my go-to places for TR parts.

Racerbvd 12-23-2021 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 11554931)
Fella in our 'hood has a TR6 that he's cleaned up really nicely. Pretty car, great colors etc., was pretty nice when he bought it, only nicer now as he's done lots of stuff to it. I really was kind of jealous of him having it, until I got a ride in it. Cramped compared to my old P-cars, and you really do sit down low in them. I used to want one in my garage, but now I'm happy just to admire those others have.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640274961.jpg

My best friend in the neighborhood growing up, father had one just like this one but with a Black top. He lived in the same neighborhood, but went to a different high-school. On graduation night, his father let him take the TR6, and as most high-school graduations in Florida, end up at a beach, be won a doughnut spinning contest on the beach in the TR6, now that tall gearing helped him win.

dw1 12-23-2021 12:29 PM

Digging through the archives, here's an article from June 1970 comparing 4 sports cars (MGB, Fiat 124 Spider, Porsche 914, and TR6). I think people here can guess which one of these is most desirable and valuable today.

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Scott Douglas 12-23-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 11555294)
My best friend in the neighborhood growing up, father had one just like this one but with a Black top. He lived in the same neighborhood, but went to a different high-school. On graduation night, his father let him take the TR6, and as most high-school graduations in Florida, end up at a beach, be won a doughnut spinning contest on the beach in the TR6, now that tall gearing helped him win.

Dale sold a Studebaker he'd restored back in the '70's I believe to get this TR. He got what I thought was really good money for the Studee, seeing as it wasn't a special model at all.
He got into this TR pretty deep as I think he's replaced the bearings and done a bunch of other stuff they usually need. He's a clean freak of sorts so it's been cleaned to a fair the well underneath too. He noted that it was a little 'tight' for him too when I mentioned how I felt I'd had to 'shoehorn' my way into it. He's full filling a life long dream though so gotta give him credit for that.

That road test that was just posted makes note of the harshness of the ride on less than perfect streets. I can vouch for that as the short ride I went on in Dale's showed just how poor our neighborhood streets are. You could feel every bump and some that you didn't know were there.

rcooled 12-23-2021 03:38 PM

My cousin pulled up to a stop sign one day recently in his TR6, and saw a good deal of smoke coming out from under the hood. He jumped out, opened it up, and saw the engine fully engulfed in flames. Having no extinguisher on hand, he just backed off and watched his car pretty much burn to the ground before the FD arrived. Undaunted, he promptly went out and bought another one. He loves those cars...

rfuerst911sc 12-23-2021 04:52 PM

I must say this discussion has been much more active than the Camaro topic I posted . Been enjoyable to watch .

HobieMarty 12-23-2021 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 11555294)
My best friend in the neighborhood growing up, father had one just like this one but with a Black top. He lived in the same neighborhood, but went to a different high-school. On graduation night, his father let him take the TR6, and as most high-school graduations in Florida, end up at a beach, be won a doughnut spinning contest on the beach in the TR6, now that tall gearing helped him win.

I did a hell of a burnout once with a bunch of friends around. They were all amazed at how I white smoked up the park where we were. I had a blast with that car, even had a girlfriend that proved to me that we could have sex in the TR with the top up or down. Lol.

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zelrik911 12-23-2021 11:37 PM

Here is the one I am working on.

Ex LA car converted to RHD, lots of little things to fix up & I have to get 2 levels of Gov. permission to use it as somehow it got to Australia without documentation. Sportscar equivalent of an "illegal".

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640334758.jpg

zelrik911 12-24-2021 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 11555595)
a girlfriend that proved to me that we could have sex in the TR with the top up or down. Lol.

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OK - I think I need some more details :D:p

Then I will discuss with my wife.

Racerbvd 12-24-2021 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rcooled (Post 11555477)
My cousin pulled up to a stop sign one day recently in his TR6, and saw a good deal of smoke coming out from under the hood. He jumped out, opened it up, and saw the engine fully engulfed in flames. Having no extinguisher on hand, he just backed off and watched his car pretty much burn to the ground before the FD arrived. Undaunted, he promptly went out and bought another one. He loves those cars...

Sadly I know that feeling, and even with a fire Extinguisher, that was not nearly enough
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GH85Carrera 12-24-2021 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 11555595)
I did a hell of a burnout once with a bunch of friends around. They were all amazed at how I white smoked up the park where we were. I had a blast with that car, even had a girlfriend that proved to me that we could have sex in the TR with the top up or down. Lol.

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I can attest that it is indeed possible in a 914 as well. Easier with the roof off.

Nickshu 12-24-2021 05:11 AM

Here's the best pic of Dad's TR6 I could find. I will run over to his house later today and take more pics to post here. 1972 in original Pimento red. He restored it over about 5 years, frame off. Body was OK, frame was a rusty mess. Mostly stock restoration w/ a few mods for drive-ability. At the time the photo was taken he was building a cedar canoe. I can't wait to be retired lol!!!

He just sent out the distributor to be tuned and the car runs better than ever.

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Gretch 12-24-2021 06:45 AM

mine.

Full restore about 12 years ago. All but a garage queen for the last 10 or so.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640360523.jpg
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Chocaholic 12-24-2021 09:24 AM

Who is that handsome fella posing in the front seat?

dw1 12-24-2021 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rcooled (Post 11555477)
My cousin pulled up to a stop sign one day recently in his TR6, and saw a good deal of smoke coming out from under the hood. He jumped out, opened it up, and saw the engine fully engulfed in flames. Having no extinguisher on hand, he just backed off and watched his car pretty much burn to the ground before the FD arrived. Undaunted, he promptly went out and bought another one. He loves those cars...

Obviously an application of the "Love of Hardship Law" and "Foolish Person Syndrome" listed below.

This is a truly brilliant explanation of the laws known to every owner of a classic British sports car, shown below as it first appeared in the "Moss Motoring" publication in 1985 (Moss Motors being the Pelican Parts for British sports cars) and frequently quoted (unfortunately often without attribution) ever since.

Btw, it is interesting to note that Moss added Miata parts some years ago.

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jcwade 12-24-2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11555757)
I can attest that it is indeed possible in a 914 as well. Easier with the roof off.

I can attest to that as well. At least it was 46 years ago.

HobieMarty 12-24-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zelrik911 (Post 11555677)
Here is the one I am working on.



Ex LA car converted to RHD, lots of little things to fix up & I have to get 2 levels of Gov. permission to use it as somehow it got to Australia without documentation. Sportscar equivalent of an "illegal".



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640334758.jpg

Nice!!!

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HobieMarty 12-24-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickshu (Post 11555761)
Here's the best pic of Dad's TR6 I could find. I will run over to his house later today and take more pics to post here. 1972 in original Pimento red. He restored it over about 5 years, frame off. Body was OK, frame was a rusty mess. Mostly stock restoration w/ a few mods for drive-ability. At the time the photo was taken he was building a cedar canoe. I can't wait to be retired lol!!!

He just sent out the distributor to be tuned and the car runs better than ever.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1640355030.jpg

Very Nice!!!

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HobieMarty 12-24-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gretch (Post 11555821)
mine.



Full restore about 12 years ago. All but a garage queen for the last 10 or so.



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Cool with the "boy racer" rollbar!!!

I swear this thread is going to have me looking to get another one, and soon. YOLO!!!

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HobieMarty 12-24-2021 07:32 PM

I found these, yep I kept them all these years, loved that car, obviously!!! Key tag and temporary car tag. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6ef91d4b48.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0a506fe6cc.jpg

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jcwade 12-24-2021 07:59 PM

I always wanted a TR6.
When I worked in a pizza parlor in 1974, a friend had a red one.
I wound up getting a Triumph GT6+ instead. Hardtop Spitfire with the TR6 engine.

The best thing about it was when it broke down,
the whole front end folded forward, like an e-type Jaguar.

This allowed you to sit on the tire while you tried to figure out the problem.
I spend a lot of time sitting on that tire.


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