Yugo or Trabant

Didn't Williams (powered by Mercedes) help Singer develop that DLS motor?

And Haas is powered by Ferrari...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38698954/singer-engines-porsche-motorsport-north-america/

I think the DLS cars have a different motor than the regular Singers, whose motors are built by PCNA, as pointed out.

I thought Cosworth had something to do with Singer engines. Maybe in the earlier days?

I think you're right re: Cosworth. That seems to have been pre-PCNA and pre-Ed Pink.

Back to topic:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a40747762/f1-cloud-computing-oracle-red-bull-racing/

https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull-poach-mercedes-engineer/

Red Bull poach another key member of Mercedes engine staff
Jon Wilde 15 hours ago

Red Bull are reported to have added another senior member of the Mercedes engine personnel to their Milton Keynes operation.

Mercedes-AMG High Performance Powertrains in Brixworth, 30 miles north of Red Bull HQ, has provided a rich seam of new recruits since Red Bull Powertrains was set up.

Among them have been Ben Hodgkinson, head of mechanical engineering at the Brixworth factory who had spent 20 years with Mercedes. He is now the technical director at Red Bull Powertrains.

Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko was quoted in April as saying “something like” 50 people had left Mercedes to join Red Bull Powertrains, which was established following Honda’s announcement that they would leave F1 at the end of 2021.


Now another significant name has joined the exodus, according to Motorsport.com, who report that Phil Prew, who was most recently the chief engineer in Mercedes’ engine division, is set for a “senior role” with Red Bull Powertrains.

Prew joined Mercedes in 2016 and had previously been at McLaren for a quarter of a century, also working with Lewis Hamilton at the Woking-based team having been his race engineer for the Briton’s World Championship-winning campaign in 2008.

At McLaren, as well as being a race engineer, Prew was also principal race engineer and, from 2013, chief engineer. Before Hamilton, he had worked with David Coulthard and Juan Pablo Montoya.


In a press conference at the Hungarian Grand Prix, team principal Christian Horner provided an update on the progress taking place at Red Bull Powertrains.

“I think Powertrains is going from strength to strength,” said Horner. “We’ve taken on further appointments and recruits, which will be announced shortly, and that’s exciting for the project.

“I think things are really taking shape. You can see in Milton Keynes we’ve gone from being an industrial estate, or a few units on an industrial estate, to being a technology campus. And investment by the group has been significant.

“I think with the new power unit regulations coming for 2026, we’ll be the only team other than Ferrari to have everything under one roof, on one site, on one campus. That’s tremendously exciting for us.

“And so Red Bull has seen tremendous growth in the sport in everything we are doing and I think that commitment and that investment has been second to none.”

Red Bull are 107 points clear of second-placed Ferrari in the 2022 Constructors’ Championship, with a further 30 back to Mercedes in third.

Ya the DLWS motors are built by Williams.

Thanks, red.

Can’t be surprising to Mercedes. They will do just fine.

Found out the facts about how everything unfolded between Alonso, Piastri and Alpine, you couldn't make it up :mad:

Won't spoil it for everyone but there should be a few key moments to enjoy when Netflix screen this seasons off track drama ;)

Another twist to this gripping saga,

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-end-ricciardo-deal-piastri-2023/10349014/

If Alpine don't sign up Ricciardo on a multi-year deal, someone needs sacking :rolleyes:

Designed by John Magee at Williams Advanced Engineering and dyno tested/developed and I believe built by Nicholson McLaren https://nicholsonmclaren.com/

It sure would be nice to have a delineation of the facts. I would not want to be part of Alpines legal team at the moment.

Wow, you can’t make this stuff up.

What I don’t understand is with this billion dollar industry how can Alpine’s lawyers/etc not have a rock solid contract for the driver they have invested so much in bringing up? It’s not their first rodeo…

If Danny gets bought out will he lose that cash if he signs for Alpine. Apparently thats why Kimi took time away from F1 after he left Ferrari, so he could keep Enzo's money.
Can't wait to see Piastri in an F1 car, the deserved hype is thick, lets see if he can prove his worth against Lando but I believe DR fast days are behind him.

Finn

I'm thinking Danny Ric will find a decent drive with someone, he can pretty well smile his way through anything and I think he is well liked in the F1 world. And he had the best pass in last week's race.

Hope it works out for him.

I hope we see Dani at alpine and in good form. Would be funny if Zak did all this just to see Dani fighting Lando for points consistently. 😂

The previous Renault/Alpine chassis seemed to fit Danny Ric's driving style . But no guarantee that the new chassis will . But I hope he can stay in F1 and be successful again . Too nice a guy to not be at the front . He is good for F1 .

If any of the silly season rumors are true then the following teams might have a seat available .

Alpine
Alfa Romeo
Alpha Tauri
Haas
Williams

We will just have to wait until all the musical chairs are filled .

It's French law. They are different.

Danny Ric ain't finishing in the points, and that's what he's supposed to be doing.

F1 is not a charity. I understand why McLaren would need to switch drivers. They have a business to run, and they need the points finishes.

So how many lawsuits about driver poaching against MacLaren this month ? Indy and F1 ?

I'm torn about this Piastri/Alpine silly season special. I confess to like Alpine as a brand (love their old A110 car, their new one, and their underdog team status). I do think they stupidly favored an uneven but luckier Ocon over Alonso too much and got burned. So OK for Fernando, his mistake, he's famous for making poor transfer decisions...

But Piastri ? Not exactly Ayrton Senna yet, they invested so much $$$ in running the kid a lot on track and in the sim, they do have a valid contract and so does MacLaren per the recognition board, so this could get stupid ugly. I may be old fashioned but I believe in Karma... I think it was a bad move for a young unproven driver to snub the team that helped him like that, I think they will not forget and the kid will regret it. The lawsuits can last a bit, and all this... not to drive for Redbull, no, to drive for a team who has not proven to be any better than Alpine for a few years now... Trading a C+ car for a C- one. There's no telling they'll be better next year. If i were him I'd have stayed put, beaten Ocon, and looked mighty good for the future. I think Mark Weber screwed the pooch on this transaction.. Alonso too - probably, but that's par for the course with him.

No kidding. Are McLaren going to have to pay off Riccardo and pay Alpine for Piastri - (not to mention the Ganassi thing)?

When did Mc come into all this money? Wasn't that long ago they were on the brink and considering selling assets to make ends meet....

Piastri had BETTER be the second coming of Senna for anyone to be going to this much trouble to get him in the car....

It's being reported that it is going to cost McLaren 20-25 million to buy out Riccardo's contract . Then roll in legal costs on both sides of the pond and the salary for whoever is the new driver this will have been one costly rodeo .

When daddy Stroll bought McLaren so his son could be an F1 driver.

Stroll bought Racing Point, as I'm sure it will be pointed out.

I can't understand what's going on at McLaren. I would have thought Seidl would have put his foot down and calmed things down, but Webber and Seidl have a close friendship from the Porsche LM prototype days.

Getting paid 20-25 million NOT to drive. Not a bad deal.

And I’ve been doing it for free all these years!

I know! Such a missed opportunity. I looked on indeed.com didn't find any non-driving F1 positions listed. ;)

I used to work in the periphery of an industry where people were frequently poached. It was SOP for the poach-ee to be paid for not working for x amount of months or years while an old noncompete contract ran out.

I was never poached, never had my head hunted. Would have loved to have that happen just once!

Made me chuckle... because it's true.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1660237565.jpg

F1 poaching/head hunting is part of the game as there has never been enough good, experienced people to go around (long may it continue) ;)

Most recently Redbull Powertrains have enticed many Mercedes HPP (Mercedes F1 engines) staff away

Also Aston Martin are poaching aggressively from top teams as they build up their team, even offering a signing on bonus for more senior positions

Ferrari have a UK based head hunter, he knows the technical management structures of all the teams on the grid, who is who, who is good, who is not, who to avoid etc

In F1 being paid not to work and staying at home is referred to as 'Gardening Leave' :D

New power unit rules have been approved

Now lets see who will join in the fun in 2026,

Porsche a definite with Redbull
Audi a possible if they buy out Sauber
Andretti, hope so, just lots of big talk but little action so far
Russian backed team, heavily recruiting in the UK so could be an outside bet
Far Eastern consortium team, just murmurs in the press so far

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-fia-world-motor-sport-council-approves-power-unit-regulations-for.495Jt6I1pAAsytVVYjz2Z5.html

ice man returns to the nastycars at the glenn

^^^^^^ Leave me alone I know what I'm doing....

Kimi did a very respectable job in qualifying.

I hope he survives the start and the race.

F1 is implementing bans of "disruptive" behavior by fans.
Basically, saying anything that could be offensive to drivers,
teams, or other fans is now banned.

But it's still OK to fire off hundreds of orange flares
in the stands and expose others who just wanted
to watch a race to toxic smoke.
As long as they don't complain or say something offensive
to the ones trying to poison their lungs. That would be wrong.

^Thoroughly absurd. Talk about a bubble.

How do these people survive real life?

glenn starts a 3 pm eastern on USA HD

Kimi doing very well so far. Running in 9th currently.

DNF i point