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			I found this article quite interesting.  I hadn't realized the scope of this technology.  This sort of tech makes me glad to have a 30 year old car that should run without needing permission to do so. We had a conversation at work regarding the possibility of the remote log in pacemaker device being hacked. Pretty chilling. https://doctorow.medium.com/about-those-kill-switched-ukrainian-tractors-bc93f471b9c8 Here’s a delicious story: CNN reports that Russian looters, collaborating with the Russian military, stole 27 pieces of John Deere farm equipment from a dealership in Melitopol, Ukraine, collectively valued at $5,000,000. The equipment was shipped to Chechnya, but it will avail the thieves naught, because the John Deere dealership reached out over the internet and bricked these tractors, using an in-built kill-switch. Since that story ran last week, I’ve lost track of the number of people who sent it to me. I can see why: it’s a perfect cyberpunk nugget: stolen tractors rendered inert by an over-the-air update, thwarting the bad guys. It could be the climax of a prescient novella in Asimov’s circa 1996. But I’m here to tell you: this is not a feel-good story. 
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			I'm guessing those weren't plain Jane tractors.  I suspect these are the very large, very high end devices used on bigger farms. But there's some other interesting stuff in the article. (not the whole article, just a few excerpts) Quote: 
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			Для этого есть конвертация bitzkit...
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			I’ll have to talk to my son. He did programming for John Deere, but I think it was more along the lines of GPS and auto driving the tractor on the farm.
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And I suspect those are the big self driving implements that are six figures that are discussed in the article.
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			Those terms specify that even if a farmer repairs their own tractor, swapping a broken part for a working one, they must pay hundreds of dollars and wait for days for an authorized Deere technician to come out to the end of their lonely country road to key in an unlock code. This is grade A bs. I have seen plenty of videos of farmers repairing newer tractors without dealer involvement. Not talking about the compact tractors used on acreages either. If you get into changing ECU/ECMs, that I do not know about, and would not be surprised id a dealer needs to do something. 
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			Another great JD trick-the only difference in hp in some of their high end tractors is code-they charge you more for the code that allows the greater hp. I get that it might lead to larger warranty exposure,  but still...
		 
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			In the era when the cops have been behind a GM product and can call the On-Star folks and turn the car they are chasing into a ever slowing vehicle and even disable it, and lock the doors, bricking a tractor is not a surprise.  Tesla can do the same thing to their cars. They have many options that are just a software upgrade for a few more bucks per month away. 
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			The real crime is what John Deere does with the data they collect.
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 You'd better cover the antenna on your El Camino with aluminum foil to keep "them" from killswitching it! 
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			Ok, well, that article was horrifying...
		 
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			I was talking to the guy at the local Deere place the other day. He said the tractors send a steady stream of data back to the service department about engine performance. Their tech can sometimes spot trouble before the operator is aware of the problem. If necessary,  they can shut a unit down before harm is done, give the farmer a call and get a tech on way. I suppose if you are running many units, they can function like a fleet manager. Best Les 
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Yep, good stuff! Next up, when you buy your new smart house, before you can walk through the front door, you have to digitally sign the EULA which means that you don't own the house, the software company does. Or, you own the land and the building, but not the software that controls the lights, locks, HVAC, etc.... You can continue to live there if you don't pay the monthly subscription fees, but then you can't use any of the automated stuff. 
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			Farmers need to do this with their tractors...   
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			My brother-in-law is one of those guys who patrol Craigslist, Marketplace and whatever to buy old farm equipment. He fixes ‘em up to varying degrees of satisfaction then resells them. He argues, and I tend to agree, that the regular old non-digitized farm equipment (and vehicles) will rule some day.   He’s got tractors, combines, cultivators and whatever machines stacked in numerous barns. But he’s sick. I’m gonna tell my sister (his wife) if he croaks, I’d like to get first dibs for a fair price. | ||
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			^^^^^ Don't think so^^^ A huge part of getting the most out of your harvest is exactly monitoring the soil, speed, depth and GPS position. Essentially accuracy. Its the difference between hoping there is a profit -to- knowing the profit % at harvest time
		 
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I am no farmer, but if we apply it will be seen in other venues, couldn’t it be true that some of those types of sensors and monitors could be retrofit it to order equipment? I mean, look at all of the portable/Garmin type GPS is that people put in their cars when the technology became available after the cars were built. Just a thought. My $.02 anyways.
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