Help Please - Wheel Lock Removal Solution- Lost Tool

[asphaltgambler]

OK, help please. This wheel lock system is very unique, company is apparentlyout of business, and of course I managed to lose the combo tool to remove. The outer nut is alloy identical to OE lug nuts. But is essentially 2 pieces where the outside is a jam nut, the base has odd pattern drilled holes that accept a nut-like sleeve with matching pattern studs.

You remove the OE look out nut, then take the tool which same outside mm, but instead of threads on inside it is smooth bore that floats/ rotates on the stud. At the bottom, there is solid steel pins @1/8" diameter that engages the female holes in the actual nut that secures the wheel.

I've tried to spin the base nut off with a punch/ hammer but no go, too much torque to do that. So it looks like I need to have the tool piece machined. See pics below, also ideas please. FYI I have searched the internet all the way to the end. No dice on this type of locking nut.

[Superman]

If you can get an air chisel on it, then you might be able to back it off with an air hammer. Another common solution is to pound the right size of socket on it and then you can use a ratchet or breaker bar, but the socket will be destroyed.

[herr_oberst]

Don't know what to tell you AG, except make damn sure you test and test some more before you bunge up those beautiful wheels. Captain Obvious reporting for duty, sir.

I've heard of folks welding a nut to the stub but it doesn't sound like that is going to work in this case.

[wswartzwel]

I have a set of sockets that remove stripped nuts. ( when the outside hex is rounded off) Looks like an iside out drill bit. The inside of the socket is tapered and fluted so it grips as you turn. Snap on and matco sell them. perhaps something like that would grip the outside of the nut.

[dad911]

I would use a Deep (expendable) socket that will fit over the stud, outside radius of the socket should be close to the outside radius of the pins. Grind/cut away the edge of the socket to make 'pins'

[asphaltgambler]

Thanks guys, the problem here is my wheels are @$800 / per and the last thing I'm doing is chisel / hammer. As stated above I took long punch into one the holes on the acorn nut-end and tried to spin it out. Problem is the acorn nut end is also aluminum.

My thought is take a small piece of paper, make a centering hole size of the stud, trace outline of the nut with hole location and transfer that as a pattern to make the tool. But I'm drawing a blank of simple way to create the tool

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by wswartzwel

I have a set of sockets that remove stripped nuts. ( when the outside hex is rounded off) Looks like an iside out drill bit. The inside of the socket is tapered and fluted so it grips as you turn. Snap on and matco sell them. perhaps something like that would grip the outside of the nut.

Something like this? I notice the largest in this set is 19mm...hopefully enough. If not, I know there are larger sizes available. Often a tire shop will have a set. The technique is to hammer the fluted part over the nut or bolt, then use an impact gun or breaker bar to remove.

https://www.amazon.com/Impact-Remover-Extractor-Storage-Stubborn/dp/B087P5GKFK/ref=pd_lpo_3?pd_rd_i=B087P5GKFK&psc=1

(edit) Here's a project farm video showing this type (and others) in use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWLxzuDMuhk&ab_channel=ProjectFarm

go to around 14 minutes on the video above

[wswartzwel]

yes

[dad911]

I wonder if you can get enough of a grip with one of these:

Universal Socket

[dad911]

He doesn't have a nut or bolt to hammer over. Look at the first pic, not the second.

[wswartzwel]

Well if making one. drill holes to match location and press roll pins into the tool to insert in the dimples on the nut

[asphaltgambler]

Originally Posted by wswartzwel

Well if making one. drill holes to match location and press roll pins into the tool to insert in the dimples on the nut

Kind of what I'm thinking, but how to without paying a machinist 8 hours to make one. I'm really good at basic fabrication, but to make this by hand would be torture.

[wswartzwel]

I have a lathe amd a mill. send me some drawing and I will be glad to give it a shot. No $$$. no guarantees. . I love making stuff.

[wswartzwel]

Guess you looked through the trunk glove box cosole and under the seats for the missing tool

[Chocaholic]

Swing by any Discount Tire or similar. I’m guessing they have every wheel lock key on the planet.

[asphaltgambler]

Hey man ^^^ that's fantastic! ^^ let me noodle on simplest way to execute this. I'm thinking aluminum barrel @ 1" OD with inner bore 'X' stud diameter with hex end outside for socket, then pattern for solid pins other end. Give me a couple-O-days, I'll PM you - thanks so much!

[wswartzwel]

Glad to do it.... I was thinking about taking a socket and milling the end flat and drilling holes for hardened roll pins. but whatever you want I should be able to do.

[fintstone]

Tac/weld a nut on to it.

[Arizona_928]

https://youtu.be/T846G3bNGgs


These guys make fun videos on other stuff.

[SCadaddle]

I'd be inclined to drill into one of the existing holes very carefully to very near all the way through the anti theft nut. Then I'd chase that with a slightly larger drill bit. Then I'd hit it with a tapered punch straight on into the hole to try and break the nut at the spot you drilled it.

Once you get the first one off, you can use it as a depth gauge for your drill bits. Just wrap a piece of tape around the bit to know when you are really close to the bottom of the nut for the other 3 wheels. Or for that matter, you could just put the bit against one of the other studs without the locking nut and mark your bit for the depth of when you would start to drill into the wheel based on the end of the stud. Then put the bit in one of the small holes and mark that spot on the bit. The difference between the 2 marks would be the depth of your anti-theft nut.