Help Please - Wheel Lock Removal Solution- Lost Tool - Page 2

asphaltgambler · 08-07-2022, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wswartzwel

Guess you looked through the trunk glove box cosole and under the seats for the missing tool

Yes, I'm certain I intentionally tossed it awhile back. Short story this restoration is been @17 yrs on / off. At some point very early on, I bought locking lug nuts specifically for 911's but remembered I didn't like the way they looked, stuck out like a sore thumb, I'm very particular btw. Later I found these and thought they looked essentially invisible, designed specifically for early 911's.

But when using the tool, it would slip off, pull out of the inner nut while removing or installing and just fell short on the actual service side. There are only two wheels that still have these, LR / RF - go figure. I don't know why but likely the time over the years as well as other numerous restorations I have done, that thought process was incomplete.

I do remember @ 5-6 years ago doing something with removing the wheels again and deciding to toss the locking lug nuts / tool. But clearly only addressed 2 of the 4 wheels in the process.

Baz · Baz's Garage

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Originally Posted by wswartzwel

I have a lathe amd a mill. send me some drawing and I will be glad to give it a shot. No $$$. no guarantees.

. I love making stuff. bswartz@conwaycorp.net

Really first rate, Bill......thanks for being a brother to AG!

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Originally Posted by wswartzwel

Guess you looked through the trunk glove box cosole and under the seats for the missing tool

LOL....this was going to be my (only) suggestion.....oh well....

pete3799 · pete3799's Garage

If that is the wheel stud i'm looking at, center punch it and drill it out.

asphaltgambler · 08-08-2022, 03:34 AM

Ok - after sleeping on it this is my solution: go online find an aluminum sleeve / barrel with the ID that = OD of the stud. With the OD slightly larger than base nut x 40mm long. I’ll make a paper pattern for the base nut OD and pin hole location .

I’ll transfer that to one end of the sleeve, hand drill for steel pins / pattern. Then use my dremel tool to square up the opposite end to 1/2” to use my 1/2” ratchet.

Overall simplest, quickest, easiest way to do this as I’m not drilling the nut ( for now)

Bob Kontak · Bob Kontak's Garage

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Originally Posted by pete3799

If that is the wheel stud i'm looking at, center punch it and drill it out.

That is a very good idea. Just secure a couple good quality/sharp drill bits to make life easier.

It would be awesome if another pic could be posted allowing a 3D mental image of the stud and fastener to be formed.

asphaltgambler · 08-08-2022, 03:49 AM

I’ll get another pic or two tonight……

Bob Kontak · Bob Kontak's Garage

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Originally Posted by asphaltgambler

I’ll get another pic or two tonight……

I use those reverse Irwin easy outs but I can't see what I would be beating it on to.

WPOZZZ · 08-08-2022, 04:30 AM

I've seen and played with those locks before. I may have a set of them at my other house, or may have tossed them. If you haven't gotten them off on Monday, I'll check when I go back there Monday night.

SCadaddle · 05:05 AM

So you've only got 2 wheels to deal with, and you've got a dremel tool. Just carefully grind the aluminum nut from the edge towards the stud to the point of fracturing the nut and you're done.

https://www.harborfreight.com/diamond-point-rotary-bit-set-20-pc-69653.html

Or if it's a pressed in stud, use a small punch to center punch the stud, then a bigger punch and and a 3 lb. hammer to hit the stud hard, then find a nut that fits the threads of the stud and weld that to something that would fit in the end of a large slide hammer that you could use to pull the stud back towards you. By now the threads in the aluminum nut have probably been deformed and bet that aluminum nut would spin off with your fingers. I'd even put the other lug nuts back on the wheel to support the hub before hitting it the hard lick.

john walker's workshop · 08-08-2022, 05:00 AM

3/4" deep hole saw and go real slow when you feel you're almost through. Sharp pointed punch to remove what's left on the stud. Done a lot this way. That was the worst lock lug ever invented.

SCadaddle · 08-08-2022, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pete3799

If that is the wheel stud i'm looking at, center punch it and drill it out.

Yes, you could do that, but before you did that I'd take a dremel with a cut off wheel to cut the stud down close to the nut. Saves a lot of time drilling the stud that is doing nothing extending past the nut.

john walker's workshop · 08-08-2022, 06:22 AM

Seen lots of wheels boogered by dremels, punches and drills.

TimT · 08-08-2022, 06:41 AM

I have a key for those wheel locks that looks like it might fit..

I had these locks on a car years ago, and removed them and tossed them in a toolbox drawer...

LMK if you want to try

asphaltgambler · 08-08-2022, 06:45 AM

That’s it! it would save me a lot of work if you’d be willing to part with that. I’m certain the pin spacing is not the same, but I could modify what doesn’t line up. PM me please - thanks!

herr_oberst · 08-08-2022, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by john walker's workshop

Seen lots of wheels boogered by dremels, punches and drills.

I was going to say I've rarely NOT accidentally had the dremel slip and go shooting off and gouging something I didn't want gouged despite my best intentions. I wouldn't get a dremel within 50 feet of that nice wheel. But I'm no rocket surgeon.

speeder · 08-08-2022, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by john walker's workshop

3/4" deep hole saw and go real slow when you feel you're almost through. Sharp pointed punch to remove what's left on the stud. Done a lot this way. That was the worst lock lug ever invented.

Yep, this is the correct answer unless you can find the tool or remove the entire stud? Since 911s had lug bolts, you should be able to unscrew the stud with a "grabber" tool in the correct diameter or weld a nut onto it and put an impact to it? A new stud would be easy to install.

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Originally Posted by john walker's workshop

Seen lots of wheels boogered by dremels, punches and drills.

I recently had to remove a couple of stuck lug bolts from a Mercedes-Benz parts car in order to get at the parts I wanted. They were severely over-tightened and the heads popped off when I put a breaker bar to them, leaving a similar looking problem to the OP's except there was no lock involved. I did not really care about the wheels, just needed to remove them. I drilled the first one and damaged the wheel but hole-sawed the second and barely sawed on the wheel. If I was being more careful or had more skill, it could have been done perfectly.

First one:

id10t · 08-08-2022, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst

I was going to say I've rarely NOT accidentally had the dremel slip and go shooting off and gouging something I didn't want gouged despite my best intentions. I wouldn't get a dremel within 50 feet of that nice wheel. But I'm no rocket surgeon.

There are quite a few projects that I've worked on where I kinda wished I had a dremel tool.

There are also quite a few projects that I've worked on where I was really really happy that I didn't have a dremel tool handy.

Still haven't gotten one, I think if I had one I'd end up doing more harm than good with it.

fastfredracing · 08-08-2022, 07:45 AM

Have you tried swearing at it and throwing stuff yet ?

asphaltgambler · 08-08-2022, 07:53 AM

No, but I'm pretty sure that thing and my ex-wife have a lot in common. Both high maintenance, both b*****he's, and both hate me to this day.

herr_oberst · 08-08-2022, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by asphaltgambler

No, but I'm pretty sure that thing and my ex-wife have a lot in common.

Hopefully you can get it off.