Prevalence of mental health issues

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Everybody sub consciously realizes that Covid is just the beginning of something bigger yet to come.
The various degrees of societal response is proof IMO.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted

Everybody sub consciously realizes that Covid is just the beginning of something bigger yet to come.
The various degrees of societal response is proof IMO.

i mean yes, we couldnt even beat covid when we had a vaccine against it. hundreds of thousands still died of a basically preventable disease. imagine what's going to happen to that society when it encounters actually dangerous stuff, like climate change, or china's hegemony. we are ****ed, any two ways about it.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by berettafan

My take is legit poor mental health sufferers are being lost amidst a sea of snowflakes who can't handle anything not going as planned.

I do think 'suck it up buttercup' is underutilized these days but I also think that is a destructive thing to say to folks with real chemical imbalances or developmental problems.

Agreed, well said.

Specifically in reference to the snowflakes...

[berettafan]

Worth watching from the beginning. That guy is great!

[bivenator]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

i care about a million americans dying. its amazing to me how few people do. they still are dying too.

i was in 9th grade when 9/11 happened. about ~3,000 americans died that day. i came of age while being lectured by 50% of americans why we needed to spend 8 trillion dollars, and thousands of my friends lives invading arab nations that had no effect on 9/11, and to do anything less was unamerican and siding with terrorists. even questioning the nesssiety of these wars, and the money and lives lost, was fighting for terrorists. people accepted any cost, of life and money, and it all justified to never have a day like that ever again.

and i cannot compromise that those very same people, when 3,000 americans a day were dying of covid, also told me it unamerican to do *anything* about it. having meltdowns in target over wearing a mask for 10 minutes.

the utterly profound lack of caring for other people, its astonishing. the only thing i can figure out, is that demanding we send 18 year olds to die in arab nations, expensively, for no real purpose, is not really personal work that someone has to do. and actually having to do something slightly inconvenient for a short time, is actually something that person has to do. its amazing how low that bar was though right? telling 18 year olds to die for pointless reasons: easy. not having a meltdown in target: a lot of work.

the rebranding of anger as "not an emotion" and the the rebranding of not caring about your fellow human beings as "not an emotion" and "not a mental disorder" is wild.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and doubt that you knew thousands of your friends that were invading "arab lands" Your hyperbole is a symptom of the issue being discussed.

[911 Rod]

I think people are not afraid to talk about mental health issues now. Before, people looked at you sideways if you talked about it.
Not to mention how easy it is for people to take sick benefits and people feel they deserve them. Some companies even have paid mental health days.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by bivenator

I'm gonna go out on a limb and doubt that you knew thousands of your friends that were invading "arab lands" Your hyperbole is a symptom of the issue being discussed.

what?

i knew people who went to and died in iraq, yes. i was of the exact age of recruitment for that war. and thousands of them did. over 7,000 died in iraq.

if thats the part of that post you object to ... yikes.

[rusnak]

Not sure about widespread mental health, but I strongly believe that people are under more stress over the past 3 years than previously. It's showing in more 911 calls, more shootings, and more suicides. The police who come into the store to take a break, get a drink or snack etc share their stories. They say the suicide calls have averaged one per week. The younger people OD, or hang themselves, suicide by cop, etc. Older males tend to shoot themselves.

Under periods of stress, lack of sleep, worry, or economic uncertainty the brain undergoes changes. And if there is any kind of psychotic crack in your personality, it widens. Thats when you see really odd behavior manefest itself in all sorts of legal cases, violence, divorce, etc. The polulation is really feeling the fallout effects of the shutdowns, People are really freaked out. You can see it in everything from economic data as well as the news stories. People are doing bizzare things.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

I think people are not afraid to talk about mental health issues now. Before, people looked at you sideways if you talked about it.
Not to mention how easy it is for people to take sick benefits and people feel they deserve them. Some companies even have paid mental health days.

Exactly. I'm not saying that we might not have a higher percentage of the population that has diagnosable issues. Society has changed, and there may be more people with issues. Or maybe what wasn't considered an issue in the past is not an issue.

But I also think that folks feel like they are able to talk about it now which wasn't the case years ago. I'm sure we've all seen the movies and some of us may be aware of families that have had members with issues that were essentially hidden in the house and never discussed outside of the family because of shame or whatever.

I do feel like folks that have issues should be able to talk to someone. And a lot of folks may not be able to talk to friends, family, or have a person that they are comfortable talking to. So it's not a bad thing to have someone that is available.

At the same time, I do feel like at least part of the message should be "bad stuff happens, you have to deal with it," AKA "suck it up buttercup"

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rusnak

Not sure about widespread mental health, but I strongly believe that people are under more stress over the past 3 years than previously. It's showing in more 911 calls, more shootings, and more suicides. The police who come into the store to take a break, get a drink or snack etc share their stories. They say the suicide calls have averaged one per week. The younger people OD, or hang themselves, suicide by cop, etc. Older males tend to shoot themselves.

Under periods of stress, lack of sleep, worry, or economic uncertainty the brain undergoes changes. And if there is any kind of psychotic crack in your personality, it widens. Thats when you see really odd behavior manefest itself in all sorts of legal cases, violence, divorce, etc. The polulation is really feeling the fallout effects of the shutdowns, People are really freaked out. You can see it in everything from economic data as well as the news stories. People are doing bizzare things.

Agreed, I think the last 2-2.5 years and covid-related stuff has really heavily, negatively impacted a lot of people (I suspect globally, not just is the US). And then on top of the covid related issues we've got the political and societal issues as well which are adding on to the stress that many folks are facing.

[bugstrider]

Originally Posted by masraum

Says you, you poopy head!

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal-food-trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.

One of the all time great movies…..

“ …….now go away or I shall taunt you a second time you tiny brain wiper of other people’s bottoms!”


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[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

i knew people who went to and died in iraq, yes. i was of the exact age of recruitment for that war. and thousands of them did. over 7,000 died in iraq.

Did you now?

Are you the guy in those YouTube videos bellyaching about how people won't watch your video?

Seriously, is that you?

God damn, you need to mature a bit before you should be allowed to post in this forum of old ass baby boomers.

You don't belong here.

[RobFrost]

It's proven that overall happiness in any country is inversely proportional to the level of inequality. Inequality is growing so people are becoming unhappier.

People are increasingly realising they're at the bottom of the pile because a competitive process has put them there causing despair.

Other people drink the kool aid telling them they're at the bottom because someone is oppressing them. This convinces them to go to war with the system, instead of investing in deferred gratification, a catch 22 cycle of failure and misery.

Increasingly fragmented media deliver content tailored to the individual, so society doesn't enjoy the same shared experiences it used to, leading to a lack of social cohesion. This also facilitates bubbles of confirmatory bias such as increasingly polarised political views.

People meet less due to Covid etc., and remote working facilitated by the Internet and videoconferencing. Also, the market increasingly commiditises the world around us, as Marx predicted it would, so our interactions with others are increasingly transactional.

All of this is eroding the feeling of belonging to a society. I think in the future governments will have to work harder to build social cohesion and common experiences. For this reason I think sports teams and events like the Olympics, and national TV shows will become increasingly valuable to society.

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[rusnak]

^ That is one theory. But it sounds as if you project "feelings" onto a society. That's not rational at all.

I also think that covid is a catch-all explanation for the fact that a lot of people just don't handle their own $#it well. They need something to blame. They seize on an opportunity for an easy out. The reality is that everyday life is too hard for the mentally and emotionally stunted adults that abound in society today.

[red 928]

Linear progression by generations


the greatest generation,
followed by the boomers,
followed by


just about time for a social CTRL-ALT-DEL

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Did you now?

Are you the guy in those YouTube videos bellyaching about how people won't watch your video?

Seriously, is that you?

God damn, you need to mature a bit before you should be allowed to post in this forum of old ass baby boomers.

You don't belong here.

do you need a safe space to talk about iraq?

[herr_oberst]

Just listened to a podcast this afternoon about the prevalence of meth and fentanyl that's washed over every corner of our city. Scary stuff. These drugs are apparently responsible for an enormous part of the mental health crisis in our country, and there are very few solutions right now to deal with the crisis.

Stay out of the drug dens, kids.

[jhynesrockmtn]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

Just listened to a podcast this afternoon about the prevalence of meth and fentanyl that's washed over every corner of our city. Scary stuff. These drugs are apparently responsible for an enormous part of the mental health crisis in our country, and there are very few solutions right now to deal with the crisis.

Stay out of the drug dens, kids.

I'm guessing you were listening to an interview with Sam Quinones. I agree. Interesting history on the development of these drugs and their impact on what we now see in the form of homeless camps. He debunks the "housing first" model to deal with this as it does not address the reason a lot of these folks are homeless.

[Paul T]

Originally Posted by RobFrost

It's proven that overall happiness in any country is inversely proportional to the level of inequality. Inequality is growing so people are becoming unhappier.

People are increasingly realising they're at the bottom of the pile because a competitive process has put them there causing despair.

Other people drink the kool aid telling them they're at the bottom because someone is oppressing them. This convinces them to go to war with the system, instead of investing in deferred gratification, a catch 22 cycle of failure and misery.

Increasingly fragmented media deliver content tailored to the individual, so society doesn't enjoy the same shared experiences it used to, leading to a lack of social cohesion. This also facilitates bubbles of confirmatory bias such as increasingly polarised political views.

People meet less due to Covid etc., and remote working facilitated by the Internet and videoconferencing. Also, the market increasingly commiditises the world around us, as Marx predicted it would, so our interactions with others are increasingly transactional.

All of this is eroding the feeling of belonging to a society. I think in the future governments will have to work harder to build social cohesion and common experiences. For this reason I think sports teams and events like the Olympics, and national TV shows will become increasingly valuable to society.

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Well said, and 100% accurate, IMO.

[Tobra]

Oh yeah, we give WAY too many drugs to kids

This has been going on since at least 1971, wanted to give me Ritalin, because I finished all my work too fast when I was in 1st grade, and would not sit quietly for 10 minutes and not talk to Greg, or Leon, or whoever else happened to be sitting next to me when I finished the test. Mom the anesthesiologist was not hip to this, and I went to parochial school for a few years.

Now they have Ritalin, an array of SSRI and tricyclic meds. For little kids, really little kids. Between that, and trying to give gene therapy jabs to a population that has like a 99.99% chance of being just fine, on the off chance that they catch the Wuhan Gain of Function Flu, it is absolutely nucking futs

Oh yeah, the meth is about 80% stronger than it used to be, when they made it out of pseudophed, weed is legal and it is crazy powerful. No wonder there are mobs of schizophrenic zombies roaming the streets. Pretty soon it is going to get like a John Carpenter movie.