F-22 Raptor maneuverability

[flatbutt]

I'm not a pilot so those in the know please tell me what is this pilot doing? The good stuff starts after 4:00

[cassisrot]

Wow

[pwd72s]

I'm no pilot either, but that was a hellofa show...

[Bill Douglas]

Nice jibe.

[stomachmonkey]

Thrust vectoring.

[Seahawk]

Missiles don’t care.

I love the jet, btw.

[flatbutt]

Cool

Thrust vectoring, also known as thrust vector control (TVC), is the ability of an aircraft, rocket, or other vehicle to manipulate the direction of the thrust from its engine(s) or motor(s) to control the attitude or angular velocity of the vehicle.

In rocketry and ballistic missiles that fly outside the atmosphere, aerodynamic control surfaces are ineffective, so thrust vectoring is the primary means of attitude control. Exhaust vanes and gimbaled engines were used in the 1930s by Robert Goddard.

For aircraft, the method was originally envisaged to provide upward vertical thrust as a means to give aircraft vertical (VTOL) or short (STOL) takeoff and landing ability. Subsequently, it was realized that using vectored thrust in combat situations enabled aircraft to perform various maneuvers not available to conventional-engined planes. To perform turns, aircraft that use no thrust vectoring must rely on aerodynamic control surfaces only, such as ailerons or elevator; aircraft with vectoring must still use control surfaces, but to a lesser extent.

[rfuerst911sc]

I had the pleasure of being part of the team at LM Marrietta that produced the F22 . It is an amazing bird with crazy performance . I would never want to go up against one !!! Bad to the bone .

[DRONE]

More in favor of the YF-23

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Cool

Thrust vectoring, also known as thrust vector control (TVC), is the ability of an aircraft, rocket, or other vehicle to manipulate the direction of the thrust from its engine(s) or motor(s) to control the attitude or angular velocity of the vehicle.

In rocketry and ballistic missiles that fly outside the atmosphere, aerodynamic control surfaces are ineffective, so thrust vectoring is the primary means of attitude control. Exhaust vanes and gimbaled engines were used in the 1930s by Robert Goddard.

For aircraft, the method was originally envisaged to provide upward vertical thrust as a means to give aircraft vertical (VTOL) or short (STOL) takeoff and landing ability. Subsequently, it was realized that using vectored thrust in combat situations enabled aircraft to perform various maneuvers not available to conventional-engined planes. To perform turns, aircraft that use no thrust vectoring must rely on aerodynamic control surfaces only, such as ailerons or elevator; aircraft with vectoring must still use control surfaces, but to a lesser extent.

For the F22 you are trading thrust to gain or maintain speed for thrust to maneuver. One of the things I thought was less than a good idea on the F22. It is a very capable aircraft, but thrust vectoring is more of a compromise than what was needed. Other aircraft can maneuver similarly without trading thrust for maneuverability. IMHO.

[skinnerd]

I liked it when the wings were condensing the water vapor due to the pressure drop at the wings during some of the maneuvers.
Plus how about that "stall" where he was backing downwards, then hit the rear horizontal stabilizers to pull himself out of it.
Crazy performance envelope for this jet.

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by flipper35

For the F22 you are trading thrust to gain or maintain speed for thrust to maneuver. One of the things I thought was less than a good idea on the F22. It is a very capable aircraft, but thrust vectoring is more of a compromise than what was needed. Other aircraft can maneuver similarly without trading thrust for maneuverability. IMHO.

Currently there is no aircraft in the world that can maneuver similarly to an F-22. That’s not my opinion. It’s a fact.

By the way, as cool as the video is, this and every video I’ve seen of this aircraft does not do it justice. At all. To appreciate its capabilities, one must see it perform in person. It’s mind blowing.

And it has more than enough thrust to gain or maintain speed during the most extreme high G maneuvers, and is quite capable of accelerating in a vertical climb from the runway. I hope people aren’t judging it’s climb capability based on the vertical climb to a stop, then tail slide down back down. That’s a choreographed show maneuver.

I know a guy who flew F-15’s who flew formation on a pair of F-22’s during a training exercise. He told me that the performance of those two F-22’s just made his and his partners F-15’s look old, slow, and underpowered. Just an anecdotal story told to me while we were in cruise flight from somewhere to somewhere else.

[rfuerst911sc]

^^^ Very true . You never see what a F22 can do in these videos and that's for a reason .

[Eric 951]

very cool video--that is why I love airshows. I only wish the video creator would have somehow let us know who he was and what his YouTube channel is.

[rockfan4]

Originally Posted by Eric 951

I only wish the video creator would have somehow let us know who he was and what his YouTube channel is.

https://www.youtube.com/c/USMilitaryPowerr

Northern Lightning is going on last week and this week just down the road from me at Volk Field. There were a couple F35s using the La Crosse airport. Those suckers are LOUD!

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Eric 951

very cool video--that is why I love airshows. I only wish the video creator would have somehow let us know who he was and what his YouTube channel is.

I was really happy he did not overlay some horrid music like so many videos.

[Aerkuld]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Missiles don’t care.

I love the jet, btw.

I understand what you're saying, but doesn't a missile have to have some degree of ability to predict a target's path? This must have greater importance the higher the missile's velocity, it needs to get to where the plane's going, not where it was. There would have to be a point where the missile simply can't maneuver rapidly enough to hit its target.

This all assumes the target knows it's coming of course.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

Currently there is no aircraft in the world that can maneuver similarly to an F-22. That’s not my opinion. It’s a fact.

By the way, as cool as the video is, this and every video I’ve seen of this aircraft does not do it justice. At all. To appreciate its capabilities, one must see it perform in person. It’s mind blowing.

And it has more than enough thrust to gain or maintain speed during the most extreme high G maneuvers, and is quite capable of accelerating in a vertical climb from the runway. I hope people aren’t judging it’s climb capability based on the vertical climb to a stop, then tail slide down back down. That’s a choreographed show maneuver.

I know a guy who flew F-15’s who flew formation on a pair of F-22’s during a training exercise. He told me that the performance of those two F-22’s just made his and his partners F-15’s look old, slow, and underpowered. Just an anecdotal story told to me while we were in cruise flight from somewhere to somewhere else.

Yes, the F22 is the most capable fighter that we know of. According to the test pilot that flew both the YF22 and YF23 said the YF23 had enough authority with the tail alone to do what the YF22 need thrust vectoring for while still having full thrust available for acceleration. The Typhoon pilots know when in close dogfighting with the F22 that if the Raptor does not make the shot with thrust vectoring, the F22 will lose. Just what I know from pilots that fly them and against them.

Some versions of the Flanker have 3D vectored thrust and can do an impressive show as well.

F22 v F15, the F22 wins as easy as a pro Muay Thai fighter against a drunken one legged blind man and the F15 still has a perfect record in the real world so there is no doubt about the capability.

[javadog]

Good luck getting within 50 miles of one of these before it kills you. I’m not sure it’s maneuverability will ever be tested in battle.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by javadog

Good luck getting within 50 miles of one of these before it kills you. I’m not sure it’s maneuverability will ever be tested in battle.

That depends on the politician of the day. If like the GW1 then yes, they will never be tested as anything other than a long range sniper of enemy planes, especially with the new long range missile being tested. If more like VN, then yes, within visual, but they do have some good capability there as well. So does the F35 as far as sensors go.