Updated jab booster targets Omicron

[javadog]

8 mice? Really? No word on whether they lived or died…

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by javadog

Go ahead and get the shot. Get one weekly, for the rest of the year.

what the **** even is this?

nonsense, thats what.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by javadog

8 mice? Really? No word on whether they lived or died…

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

You might want to do a little reading and educate yourself. The bivalent boosters went through clinical trials in several hundred persons, testing safety and immune response.

[javadog]

But, what about the eight mice? Did they live? Are they OK?

Just having a little fun here.

I have learned that you can’t change anybody’s opinion on the subject, so…

[Por_sha911]

The bogus science and buried truth, politics, and mandates are truth that no one wants to admit. The government wants the people dependent on them so that they can control the masses and how they vote.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

The government wants the people dependent on them so that they can control the masses and how they vote.

Please elaborate or provide links.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by jyl

The original vaccines and boosters were designed for the original strain of Covid (wild type aka Wuhan). They were very effective in reducing the risk of both infection and severe disease, from the original Covid strain, and still very effective against Delta. Omicron was quite different, and the original vaccines and boosters are less effective in reducing the risk of infection although still quite good at reducing the risk of severe disease.

The plan all along has been for the mRNA vaccines to be rapidly revised to target new Covid strains. But Covid mutated so quickly that the vaccine revision lagged the variants. With the rate of severe disease and death declining, there may have been less perceived urgency, and then Congress slashed the budget for Covid vaccines and antivirals. More people, including in the Federal government, were willing to accept Covid as endemic, something that people may contract once or a couple times a year, like cold or flu.

In the meantime, more data on “long Covid” has shown that it is a significant problem. Long Covid appears to be responsible for very roughly a quarter of the lost workforce, which is part of the inflation problem. Long Covid also appears to be a meaningful risk even if the Covid infection does not cause severe disease (hospitalization). The potential cost for the US healthcare system, labor productivity, and general health is starting to get attention. US life expectancy fell two full years during the pandemic, to levels normally associated with less developed countries. So the idea of Americans getting infected and re-infected with Covid every year is starting to look not so great.

It isn’t clear what the alternative is, to endemic Covid. Masking and distancing is too unpopular, Omicron is very transmissible, and China’s struggle to maintain a “zero-Covid” policy is not something any other country wants to emulate. (Although, Long Covid may give China the last laugh - I’m sure the CCP figures that in 10 years, China’s population will be healthier than the US population struggling with tens of millions of long Covid cases.

But revising the vaccine to restore its effectiveness against the current Omicron variant is something we can do, that may help somewhat, so that is being done. The new boosters are bivalent, meaning they target both original strain and some variant of Omicron.

I’m not sure how many people will get the revised boosters, since the Federal government isn’t going to provide them free any more (I think). Obviously people with insurance or money can get it - I sure will - but vaccines are more effective if most of the population get them, so I wish the Feds were still funding the boosters.

There are trials underway for nasally administered vaccines as boosters to the current injected vaccines. The idea is that Covid enters by initially infecting nasal cells, then moves down the upper respiratory tract to the lungs, and also causing the systemic inflammation and other effects that cause the wide range of damage from acute Covid as well as long Covid effects. If the nasal cells can be primed to react immediately against the initial infection, the infection might not be able to get established further into the body. That’s the idea, anyway. The government isn’t funding this work (at least, not as aggressively as it funded the original vaccines) so the work is going slowly.

Which is a ridiculous situation. Covid doesn’t care if we got bored with it. It is still infecting and mutating to be even more infectious, and unlike cold and flu, Covid is able to damage a person’s health, even be disabling in some cases, for a long time after the initial infection is gone.

Interesting post here. I wonder if even 10% of it is accurate.

[island911]

yep ^

"Omicron was quite different, and the original vaccines and boosters are less effective in reducing the risk of infection although still quite good at reducing the risk of severe disease."

No, Omicron was quite different, in that the mutation was good at reducing the risk of severe disease.

The jabs were (at best) inconsequential with Omicron.

[Chocaholic]

What most seem to overlook is that viruses tend to mutate to more infectious, less harmful versions. Omicron is a prime example. Easier to catch, but far less dangerous. That gives the vax industry free reign to take credit for improved response to infection. A response that would have been exactly the same without the vax. No way to prove either way.

[Chocaholic]

[javadog]

Originally Posted by island911

yep ^

"Omicron was quite different, and the original vaccines and boosters are less effective in reducing the risk of infection although still quite good at reducing the risk of severe disease."

No, Omicron was quite different, in that the mutation was good at reducing the risk of severe disease.

The jabs were (at best) inconsequential with Omicron.

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

What most seem to overlook is that viruses tend to mutate to more infectious, less harmful versions. Omicron is a prime example. Easier to catch, but far less dangerous. That gives the vax industry free reign to take credit for improved response to infection. A response that would have been exactly the same without the vax. No way to prove either way.

I think you’ll find that Omicron is descended from the virus that swept through Asia starting in 2017 and not necessarily a mutation of the virus that was from Wuhan in 2019.

[cockerpunk]

got mine yesterday. sore arm, but otherwise good to go.

i dont get the whole "OMG they keep having to make a new booster" yeah, its a virus ... covid19 booster will likely become an annual thing, like your flu shot is. because that to is a virus.

our chance to stop covid19 before it mutated died 2.5 years ago. this was the path that was chosen. this is how its going to work for a while.

[island911]

What do the vaccinated have in common with the unvaccinated?









neither will ever be fully vaccinated.