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Evans, Marv 11-16-2022 08:05 PM

I agree with those who say some people are clueless and live in their own tiny world. I often wonder why they can't pick the right lane to dawdle in.
I discovered something frightening when I went to renew my license after my 80th birthday. I thought some new laws might have been passed since I went for a renewal last time, so I took some of the online quizes for cars and motorcycles (since I also had to get my M1 certification renewed also). After the paperwork, passing the eye test, etc., I went up to the window to arrange to take the written test. The DMV lady said, "Oh, you don't have to take a written tests." I remember taking the written part last time I had to renew. When i asked why, she said people over 70 didn't have to take written tests for either auto or motorcycle. I said, "Now, do you really think that's a smart policy?" She said, "I know what you mean, but I don't make the rules."
I'm in no hurry on the freeway and put cruise control on 70 and travel mostly in the mid lanes and move over for those in a hurry.

rusnak 11-16-2022 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 11849689)
Left land campers need to be trained. A big ticket, 300 bucks, no traffic school. That will do the trick if cops and courts are willing to work together on this. Everyone is a left land hogger here. I wore out my high beams flicking them. Still, many day dreamers are don't ever noticed my flicking lights.

I guess they're doing the "energy management" thing? They're saying go 'round, lest the mpg suffer.

ted 11-16-2022 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11849737)
I guess they're doing the "energy management" thing? They're saying go 'round, lest the mpg suffer.

Hyper mile much. ;)
they depend on momentum. :p
no threat :D

rusnak 11-16-2022 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ted (Post 11849747)
Hyper mile much. ;)
they depend on momentum. :p
no threat :D

Agreed, provided the momentum matching is done in the correct lane. I suggest the middle one.

KFC911 11-17-2022 02:56 AM

I tend to drive in the left lane assuming I'm not holding anyone up (and of course I usually move over before they reach me). Typically, the left lane is a smoother lane as the 18 wheelers usually ride in the right one and it takes their abuse. Not all roads... but on some the lane condition difference is noticable.

Baz 11-17-2022 03:02 AM

The underlying ethos is people only care about themselves.

Get them out of that mindset and all of a sudden a lot of stuff gets better.......

911 Rod 11-17-2022 05:45 AM

If they show no intention of moving over I don't give them a chance and just go around.

Sad story related to this thread.

I drive on a 4 lane divided highway for about 8 miles to work everyday. Last year a guy in a F150 is in the left lane and was pacing the car beside him at the speed limit. I'm in my 996TT and hang back a reasonable distance as the car has a tendency to piss people off. Now with a lot of cars backing up behind me, around the 5 mile mark he pulls over. I pass slowly to get a look at what kind of dick does this. He flashes a badge at me and gives me a hand gesture to slow down. I'm like WTF! I pull behind him and snap a pic of his license plate, pull beside him and give the you will be getting a phone call gesture with my hand.
I call the cops when I get to work and they are very very interested in what went down.
They track him down and he denies nothing other than the badge. Cop call me back after and say thanks for the call as guys like this can get out of hand.

6 month later it happens again. I'm in my truck and behind him. He stays there until I get off the highway. People are freaking and passing on exit and merging lanes. Total ciaos.

I get to work and make the call to the cops again.

Cop calls me back later that day with a story from hell. (They checked his story out) The guy had a bit of a break down when the cop confronted him and told his story. Turned out his wife and 2 kids had died on the highway the year previous. This wack job was trying to save lives.
The cop gave him a bit of the riot act and the guy coughs up the badge. Promised to never do it again.

Some things are not as they appear and I have to admit I was a little chocked up hearing his reason.

KFC911 11-17-2022 05:58 AM

^^^ I try not to let stuff bother me .... we've all got all the time in our world left until it runs out...

Ya just never know about others these daze....

So I just try to chill ... thanks to a post Vash made a few years ago... and it's not always been that way ... or easy, even now.... but I try ;)

masraum 11-17-2022 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11849388)
I didn't know that. Why would people be required to back in? I'm talking about the 20-something latina who is copying what she saw her ex BF baby daddy do.

I worked at a place that had technicians that drove company trucks. Those guys were all required to back into parks. I've heard of other folks with similar requirements.

What I was told was that there are far more accidents from folks backing out of a parking space than backing into a parking space.

According to the link below, it's not only fender benders, but is actually a cause of death and injury.
https://www.geotab.com/blog/reverse-parking/

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What is the number one type of collision for fleets? Another vehicle hitting a parked fleet vehicle was the top type of fleet accident in 2018, as reported by Automotive Fleet.



Statistics from the National Safety Council reveal that:

- Each year, there are more than 50,000 collisions in parking lots and garages.
- Parking lot and garage structure collisions lead to over 500 fatalities and more than 60,000 injuries.
- Insurance claims for collisions increase significantly on Black Friday (the peak shopping day in the U.S.).

Backing out a space unfortunately leads to many fatalities. In a 2018 study of non-traffic motor vehicle crashes in 2015, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that 12,000 vehicle nonoccupants (eg. pedestrians or cyclists) were injured by vehicles backing up, and 284 were killed. This class of crashes, non-traffic, was limited to incidents occurring outside public trafficways, typically driveways and parking facilities.

Children and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to being injured or killed in backover collisions. Non-profit organization Kids & Cars reported that 25 children in the U.S. were killed in 2019 due to backover incidents alone.

In a move to change these numbers, NHTSA previously ruled that all new vehicles under 10,000 pounds (including passenger vehicles, buses and trucks) had to be equipped with rear visibility technology. To further promote safety, late last year, NHTSA issued a notice of proposed rulemaking to seek public input on replacing mirrors on heavy trucks and cars with camera-based, rear-visibility systems.

David 11-17-2022 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11849108)
My mother told me decades ago she just got in the left lane and drove 55.

She had no idea what the left lane was for but it made freeway driving easier for her.

Yep, my mom too. She had no idea until I told her and then commented for years after that on how dumb she was to not realize it. So I suspect the US's terrible driver education system is to blame rather than people who do it intentionally.

David Inc. 11-17-2022 06:16 AM

The answer is that people don't care when nobody is going to get them in trouble for doing something lazy.

Remember, the world is full of people who leave shopping carts wherever in the parking lot, or take the last cup of coffee from the office pot and then don't brew a new one.

masraum 11-17-2022 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 11849391)
Blind spot?

By using side-view mirrors as redundant rearview mirrors.

Why would side-view mirrors not be adjusted so that vehicles on each side of the car become clearly visible before they disappear from the rearview mirror?

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11849395)

I actually don't have much of a blind spot since I changed how I adjust my mirrors. I supposed it's possible for something like a Smart or motorcycle to get into a blind spot, but they've shrunk down until they are super small. With my current adjustment if a car is in the next lane, I can see the rear end of a car in my rear view, and the front of the car in my side view mirrors. And then I can usually see a the rear of a car in my side view mirror and the front of the car in my peripheral vision.

This covers that sort of adjustment
https://www.smartmotorist.com/adjusting-car-mirrors

masraum 11-17-2022 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11849457)
I live about 30 miles from the Pa / jersey border. I frequently see Pa drivers being busted for failure to keep right. It's especially entertaining when an unmarked statey pulls up on one, flashes the highs and when they don't move the Christmas lights come on.

That's fantastic! I wish that was enforced around here.

stevej37 11-17-2022 06:54 AM

Most new cars come with side mirrors that show a bright light when another vehicle is coming alongside or you are passing one. They work on both sides.
It's one of my fav features on the Civic.

Sometimes I appreciate the LLH. It breaks the monotony of going straight for mile after mile.
If they slow me down so that I'm running late....I can always leave a minute or two earlier next time.

jcommin 11-17-2022 06:58 AM

I have driven on the autobahn in Germany - they pay attention to driving on the right and passing on the left. I have been in the left lane passing when someone faster behind me flashes their lights and I move over. But that is Germany.

Here is different:
Using directional signals is becoming optional
People are clueless
The left lane is smoother
I don't care about the law. There are no consequences.
I have passed on the right
In Chicago, driving on the shoulder is becoming more frequent

masraum 11-17-2022 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RobFrost (Post 11849712)
If I'm breaking the speed limit (or not) in the overtaking lane and somebody comes up behind me, then I will pull over in-between the cars I'm overtaking and let them by. Just to be nice - i have no desire to hold people up, even if they are speeding. Unless I'm in a queue to overtake, of course. Then they have to join the queue same as me.

^Good Form!^

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Also, if they're an ass about it and tailgate me or drive aggressively. That's not very nice, and can be unsafe. Then I might have to slow down to a speed that is safe given their stopping distance.
I can't imagine that your behavior is not at least a little bit to teach them a lesson, and tell them "Eff you." (I am not saying that I have not at times behaved badly, whether that's trying to push or screw with a tailgater, but I really try NOT to do those things). But you do realize that by screwing with those guys that are aggressive and push is likely to piss them off and trigger them and ultimately create a more dangerous situation for you and everyone else on the road. Because once you've pissed that (clearly aggressive and juvenile) person off, they will stay pissed off after they've gotten past you and are likely to be more aggressive, obnoxious, and stupid when they then come up on the family, and then someone's grandmother, etc....

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My dad and brother get into interactions with the cars behind them where they try to enforce the speed limit, and actively prevent those behind them overtaking. This is a bit if a sanctimonious passive aggressive trait because they enjoy exercising control over others, although they would never admit it. I told my young daughter once that my dad loved nothing more than to have a queue of traffic behind him. One day he drove us somewhere, she looked behind and said, "Grandad, you'll be really pleased to know there's a massive queue of traffic behind you". It was so funny.

Sent from my SM-G988B using Tapatalk
So they are jackasses that enjoy creating a dangerous situation, and more aggressive behavior which makes them as bad or worse than the folks that they are policing.

stomachmonkey 11-17-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11849966)
I actually don't have much of a blind spot since I changed how I adjust my mirrors. I supposed it's possible for something like a Smart or motorcycle to get into a blind spot, but they've shrunk down until they are super small. With my current adjustment if a car is in the next lane, I can see the rear end of a car in my rear view, and the front of the car in my side view mirrors. And then I can usually see a the rear of a car in my side view mirror and the front of the car in my peripheral vision.

This covers that sort of adjustment
https://www.smartmotorist.com/adjusting-car-mirrors

Mine are adjusted the same which is the correct way.

There are no blind spots with properly adjusted mirrors.

I can't believe they still teach the wrong method, sit in the seat and adjust till you can see the side of your car.

I've had arguments with people about it, "but I need to know where my car is in relation to....."

No, no you don't, the only thing you need to know is, if there is something in your side mirror, it's too close to change lanes"

Oh and left lane hogging should be a capital crime.

masraum 11-17-2022 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11849976)
Most new cars come with side mirrors that show a bright light when another vehicle is coming alongside or you are passing one. They work on both sides.
It's one of my fav features on the Civic.

Sometimes I appreciate the LLH. It breaks the monotony of going straight for mile after mile.
If they slow me down so that I'm running late....I can always leave a minute or two earlier next time.

LLH = chicane :D

masraum 11-17-2022 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 11849999)
Mine are adjusted the same which is the correct way.

There are no blind spots with properly adjusted mirrors.

I can't believe they still teach the wrong method, sit in the seat and adjust till you can see the side of your car.

I've had arguments with people about it, "but I need to know where my car is in relation to....."

No, no you don't, the only thing you need to know is, if there is something in your side mirror, it's too close to change lanes"

Oh and left lane hogging should be a capital crime.

Right, for many, many years, my mirrors were adjusted as most are, so you can see the side of your car in both mirrors which is bad/wrong (assuming you've got a central rear view, I assume a vehicle towing a trailer or no visibility out of a back window would be a different story). I first heard about the right method of adjustment here at PP and have been now been using it for probably 15-20 years, I think.

gregpark 11-17-2022 08:28 AM

If someone is hogging the fast lane I blip my lights. If they don't move over and it's obvious they're policing the lane I floor it around them and cut in front of them a wee bit closer than a normal lane change. You know, to teach them some etiquette. Ha ha don't scold me, I know I'm not alone. If we don't teach idiots the rules of the road, how will they ever learn?


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