What pains me the most is the effort and expense we are ‘investing’ on infrastructure to support these cars. Which could have gone towards high speed rails or other public transportation that would actually improve our carbon footprint and reduce traffic and generally improve quality of life.

Electric cars are prevalent in high population density and high income demographic regions, the use-case of electric vehicles isn’t a strong one as you reach the less populous regions in our or other countries.

My daily driver 1986 El Camino that I bought in 1991 and paid off in 1992. It has 378,000 miles. My driving mileage is much reduced now that my commute to work is 14 steps down the hall to my office. I sometimes go several days and never leave the house. If we go to visit my MIL 100 miles away, 90% of the time we go in the El Camino. The cost per mile is very low. It quit depreciating in the last millennium, and has gone up in value since and is worth twice what I paid for it.

If I was some commuter driving an hour or even 30 minutes per day into a job, no doubt I would have an electric car. The thought of sitting in a car a couple hours every day makes me queasy. For over 25 year I lived just at one mile from work. My 74 914 was my only car back then.

Electric has a place, just not in my garage.

Maybe the day I am too old to drive, I will have some electric car with a true automatic driving. Just sit down, and tell it my destination and sit back and relax. That is not gonna happen anytime soon.

Cool, I have like 20 patents. Should we just whip them out with some rulers?

Sure

Let's go lay down in the snow... You once again don't debate but deflect.....


You gonna put something out on your keyboard to further this discussion or just make stupid statements.....


BTW. Who paid for those patents?

I'm glad a BSE is out here trying to bully others around. I was hoping you had at least a MS... but shiiiiit

That is pretty cool. Which EV drivetrains are you talking about?

I rarely see an electric vehicle (that I recognize as an EV) unless I make the long drive to the interstate (the Teslas are obvious). The EVs are usually noticeable because they are going much slower than the other cars...especially in the mountains. I am not sure if that is due to have a unique demographic that buys them or if there is a technical reason (like poor handling at higher speed (in the sweeping curves) or energy saving to get to the next charging station. I have seen people waiting in line a long time to get a charge at places that have chargers along the interstates.

Like every other thread here about EVs, this one neither interesting nor factual. You should have chosen another title Steve.

In development now.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2022/01/04/ford-planning-to-nearly-double-all-electric-f-150-lightning-production-150000-units.html

$30 billion? Do they have "whiz kids" at Ford?

I know one.

Business associate.

Will Ford even be a company in 10-20 years?

Not sure.

Rural America?

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/13/1092522367/will-electric-pickup-trucks-get-rural-america-to-switch-from-gas-to-electric

Meanwhile:

https://electrek.co/2022/07/19/how-solid-state-ev-batteries-could-cut-emissions-by-up-to-39/

Today's cars are arguably safer and more fuel efficient than the first cars many moons ago.

The difference now is that efforts toward, for example, greater safety and efficiency are able to make far more progress faster than when humans migrated from horses to cars way back when.

Exponentially greater progress and exponentially faster.

And the opportunity for ducats to be made is far easier to be characterized and quantified.

I'm a pretty big fan of my wife's hybrid. Living in semi-rural Arizona, a straight EV would do me no good with their current limitations. My diesel truck gets damn good mileage, but the wife's EV beats it by ~10mpg.

Arizona_928's idea about a diesel hybrid...I like that!

Champion spark plugs?

equal

Buggy whips.

Fast, fast, fast.

It's fun to talk to ccp coworkers about the electric cars in China.
Very popular and very cheap.

Our local Meijer stores, in the last 5 years have installed about 10 charging stations at each store.
Easy to see if they are being used because they are on the perimeter of the lot.

I remember one day seeing a Tesla using one. Other than that, they are always all empty when I drive past.

EV's made up 6.1% of US 3rd quarter auto sales. Over 200,000 for the quarter.
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/10/13/fully-electric-vehicles-reached-6-of-auto-sales-in-usa-in-3rd-quarter/
We don’t have a precise number since we’re lacking sales data for a few minor auto brands as well as sales data for some full electric vehicle models, but based on the nearly complete data we have, EVs reached 6.1% of US auto sales in Q3 2022. Looking back historically at the evolution of that figure, this is what we have:

Q3 2022 — 6.1%
Q2 2022 — 5.1%
Q1 2022 — 4.7%
Q4 2021 — 4.1%
Q3 2021 — 3.7%
Q2 2021 — 3%
Q1 2021 — 2.5%
Q4 2020 — 2.3%
Q3 2020 — 2.2%

On charging stations, 8 have to laugh at the Wawa gas stations here, all the stations in the nicer area of town, areas where people can afford a new EV, don't have any charging stations. The only Wawa that I have seen a set of charging stations, is in a very high crime, lower income area.

Lots of facts here...dose of reality:

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Switzerland Considers Electric Vehicle Ban To Avoid Blackouts

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Switzerland-Considers-Electric-Vehicle-Ban-To-Avoid-Blackouts.html

Perhaps a more nuanced take: https://www.electrive.com/2022/12/02/switzerland-rumoured-to-ban-evs/

Does "nuanced" really mean funded by the electric vehicle folks?