F1 2023

[serene911]

[GH85Carrera]

Day one was a fiasco. They repaved the entire track with brand new asphalt, and the water valves were just not done to F1 needs. They fixed the issue, and the fans that paid for those tickets deserve a full refund, and some F1 swag as an appeasement.

Qualifying and the race itself went off great. The top three finishers all swapped the lead multiple times. There was lots of passing throughout the race, and overall it was a good race, and a real spectacle. The limo ride to the interviews and then back to the podium was kinda weird.

Overall it was way better than the Miami F1.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr;12134500[B

]Zeke, if you don't like F1, why do you post so much about F1 [/B]

Max won again, one more race win for Redbull and they break Mclaren old record for highest % wins in a season, fingers crossed they do!

Didn't watch the race but Perez secured 2nd in the drivers, about time too

A track that was written off as unexciting seemed to have given one of the more exciting races this year

Paul, hope you enjoyed your trackside experience was everything you were hopingbit would be, very jealous as I've never been to a race in V6-hybrid era

Having beer and pizza tomorrow evening with a few friends working at other F1 teams, will report back anything interesting ie what's their thoughts about Andretti/GM

I post in all racing threads. I watch any kind of race, NHRA, NASCAR, IndyCar, etc. I rate racing types and find IMSA lower on my list than say a Youtube of a great dirt track, like a mile. F1 just falls into the mix but it's not high enough on my list to pay for it on TV. I don't pay for any, so if they are unavailable, something else usually is.

Therefore I can relate to all kinds of drivers since the era of the Lotus with Clark. There has been a complete cross section of humans driving professionally. A lot of them are aholes while others are not.

Some series' run reasonable tracks with not much fanfare or buffoonery. Others seem more like a rave where a race happened to be at the same time.

Myself, I was an amatuer racer from age 14, mostly in karts for 40 years. We had plenty of jerks in karting, a couple of low brow fist fights and some people sent home. NASCAR too sends people home. F1 so far as I know has not.

Just another comparison. I claim the right to discuss any racing.

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Day one was a fiasco. They repaved the entire track with brand new asphalt, and the water valves were just not done to F1 needs. They fixed the issue, and the fans that paid for those tickets deserve a full refund, and some F1 swag as an appeasement.

Qualifying and the race itself went off great. The top three finishers all swapped the lead multiple times. There was lots of passing throughout the race, and overall it was a good race, and a real spectacle. The limo ride to the interviews and then back to the podium was kinda weird.

Overall it was way better than the Miami F1.

Agreed. And the track was a great track. The venue not so much to me.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

You're more of a racer than me, my racing career started and ended with a stock classic Mini in one grass track race

Wasn't meant to be a pop at you, just wondering why anyone would waste their time discussing something they didn't enjoy

I wouldn't pay to watch F1 either

Also enjoy all types of motorsport, watching Baja 500 and Dakar comes higher on my list to watch than F1

[GH85Carrera]

The Red Bull drivers in their Elvis inspired racing suits.

[Zeke]

I forgot to mention that I worked in racing for at least a decade before going into the trades. I worked in the shop and as a pit crew. I worked for a F5000 team and 2 different drag racers, Mickey Thompson being one. I fabricated some, most with fiberglass. I worked at the shop that built the Ford J car body that Ken Miles was killed in. I worked in a motorcycle shop too, and we had both flat track and RR riders. I didn't have the experience on bikes but I rode hard on the street on a cafe racer and in the dirt with a dirt bike. Funny, I enjoyed going round and round locked up like speedway on the dirt way more than I did hauling ass over unseen terrain. Didn't care for jumps at all. I made an early version of the skid pad to ride sideways on concrete lap after lap. Busted my ass many times but never broke anything but the bike.

Give me 4 wheels.

[astrochex]

Our path to the shuttle took us by park ferme. It was unexpected.

[GH85Carrera]

Hey Paul, did you get to grab a piece of carbon fiber from the mishaps on track?

It would be a cool souvenir of the weekend.

[astrochex]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Hey Paul, did you get to grab a piece of carbon fiber from the mishaps on track?

It would be a cool souvenir of the weekend.

Did not, Glen. Our area was quiet. Our responsibility turned out to be watching the race.

I’ll post more pics later.

[GH85Carrera]

[astrochex]

Great pic!

[GH85Carrera]

There were 82 separate overtakes during the Las Vegas Grand Prix, ranking it #2 in the 2023 season. Not bad. Sure better than the Monaco parade.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

It's a piggy

[917_Langheck]

It's even pink!

[astrochex]

If LVGP was smart, they would promote the piggy with fun marketing.

[rfuerst911sc]

^^^ Miss Piggy from the Muppets comes to mind .

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by astrochex

If LVGP was smart, they would promote the piggy with fun marketing.

That would offend the Muslim countries, and F1 is partly owned by them. With several Arab countries paying lots of money to have a F1 race, it ain't likely they promote that.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Zeke

When do you think the spending cap is reset? Beginning of each year or season? Will Ferrari be using new chassis next year? I just read they get 3 engines and electric motor boosters with generators per car per year. More exhaust systems, but still limited in number.

The spending cap is on a per season basis.

Yes, Ferrari will field an entirely new chassis next year. So will every other team. That is how this game is played. The pace of development and learning is so great that there is no way on Earth that last year's car would even make the field next year. Every team builds new cars every year, of their own design and manufacture (even if, as discussed earlier, they contract some of that out).

Originally Posted by Zeke

So I agree that if the complete power train was compromised by the fault of the track, they should get a bye. But it's the last race, so they have to already be on their last legs. So what do you do? Tough question.

Reading the rules on chassis replacement is tedious. Sorta reminds me of the Lincoln's axe story.

You already noted elsewhere that this was not the last race, so they do need a car for the final race of the season next weekend. They can replace a car if damaged enough to warrant doing so. It has to be the same specification as the one being replaced.

Originally Posted by Tobra

This sounds like utter BS. How much down force do they generate, a ton, maybe. Would take more than that to pull that thing out of the ground. Maybe he bottomed out on top of it.

The Williams sucked an entire manhole cover up from the street in Baku the last year Claire was their team principle, severely damaging the car. Baku were required to weld all of the manhole covers down, but missed this one. These cars generate a couple of tons of downforce at speed, several times their own weight.

Granted, lifting a manhole cover might actually be easier, with its surface area to weight, but it's not surprising at all that Sainz's car lifted this thing when it drove over it.

[GH85Carrera]

Ferrari said the water valve hit cost them 2 million bucks! Ouch.

I have to assume the mechanics are all on a salary, and paid the same regardless of the tasks at hand. That is just an assumption. I am sure many would have proffered to be back in their rooms getting some sleep, or seeing the sights and maybe a show. I hear there are a few things to do in Vegas.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Glen, the $2 million cost is accurate, had it confirmed by a friend that knows

The crash scrapped the chassis, engine, gearbox and broke the seat

Sainz was extremely lucky not to have been very seriously injured

300kph, was a huge impact