Space X Starship Explodes

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stevej37

[unclebilly]

thereby proving for the 87655th time that the earth is flat…

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Did anybody get reminded of an led flashight when they saw the new engine layout firing from below?

[stevej37]

^^^ Yes...it looked like a third of them hadn't fired up.
Off-brand spark plugs??

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by stevej37

^^^ Yes...it looked like a third of them hadn't fired up.
Off-brand spark plugs??

Yeah, I spent the whole drive home after work trying to figure out how the remaining gimbles would cant the thrust to compensate.
I think it was in more trouble than it appeared. That it got so far is pretty darn amazing. Personally, I thought the weight of it all would cause a structural collapse right on the pad.

I'm bummed I will have to wait several months for a follow up shot!

Hats off to Space X.

[stevej37]

I've always had excellent results with NGK plugs.
I'll bet they used Autolites.

[Jeff Alton]

So a total failure/screw up that they try to spin into a win because it "cleared the tower"? OK....

[KNS]

About a year ago I checked out (on Google Maps) a satellite view of the sleepy little gulf coast community of Boca Chica, TX where Space X has their new launch facility. While the satellite image at that time was probably a couple years old it was just a sleepy little coastal village with a couple dozen homes and nothing more.

Looking at Google Maps now you can see the massive new Space X complex and the launch pad just down the road. The little community is still there adjacent the facility but I noticed, on Google street view of Weems St, half the homes have Teslas parked in the driveways. I wonder if Musk simply bought out all the homeowners.

Edit: I guess Space X did buy out a lot of the community:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/18/residents-of-musks-texas-space-city-rip-billionaire-for-destroying-quiet-beach-town/

[beepbeep]

It was a success.

It is twice as powerful as Saturn V.
They have five more built, with additional improvement.
It cleared the tower.
They learned a ton....for example a need to have proper flame trench. I reckon most engines failed due to debris damage.


What I found most impressive is that whole stack survived multiple somersaults...ith stages still docked together! Also, it kept going up with multiple engines out. That thing is built like proverbial brick house.

Old space laughed 10 years ago at hist Falcon prototype. Now he has market cornered and ULA/Boeing/Arianespace are surviving on goverment dole and playing catch up. Falcon 9 has 95% of the market.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by KNS

Looking at Google Maps now you can see the massive new Space X complex and the launch pad just down the road.

I never thought to look. That is interesting.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by astrochex

Twice the thrust of the Saturn V, yikes!

Saturn V thrust was 7.6 million pounds and they ramped it up to 9.0 million for launching Skylab.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Saturn V thrust was 7.6 million pounds and they ramped it up to 9.0 million for launching Skylab.

I saw the Saturn V that Neil rode being tested on the launch pad back in July of '69...

It was a BIG cucumber !

[Tervuren]

From my experiences in a game called BeamNG Drive, the forces of a long object doing somersaults can be quite destructive.

Originally Posted by beepbeep

What I found most impressive is that whole stack survived multiple somersaults...ith stages still docked together! Also, it kept going up with multiple engines out. That thing is built like proverbial brick house.

[beepbeep]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Saturn V thrust was 7.6 million pounds and they ramped it up to 9.0 million for launching Skylab.

Per Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship

Maximum thrust: Tf16,700,000 lbf

[masraum]

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by beepbeep

.....
They learned a ton....for example a need to have proper flame trench. I reckon most engines failed due to debris damage.
.......

That surprised me. NASA learned that lesson early on and it is well documented.

[beepbeep]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

That surprised me. NASA learned that lesson early on and it is well documented.

If you look at the replay you can see huge swathes of concrete being blown away like tumbleweed. That can't be good for engines. At the same time. High water table at Bocachicka is apparently making it very difficult to dig.

[beepbeep]

P.S. I just read that there are no separation charges...Starship needs booster to "flip" it away...and it must be hard to do if you loose so many engines. I see proper flame trench and redesigned separation coming.

But as many large vehicles, it is mighty fault tolerant.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

That surprised me. NASA learned that lesson early on and it is well documented.

Right. Why they thought "meh, we don't need that" is a little surprising. I suspect there's someone at SpaceX thinking "I freakin' told you", and someone else is thinking "I hope no one remember that I told them it was unnecessary." THe funny thing is that I'm picturing the guy that said "we don't need that" as Musk himself. LOL

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by KNS

About a year ago I checked out (on Google Maps) a satellite view of the sleepy little gulf coast community of Boca Chica, TX where Space X has their new launch facility. While the satellite image at that time was probably a couple years old it was just a sleepy little coastal village with a couple dozen homes and nothing more. ]

About 2 years ago, before they started really resting the Starships, a local guy drove down there and basically drove through the gates, right up to a short fence. He could nearly reach over and touch one of the starships sitting there waiting for testing.

The point of his article was that right *then*, you could basically stand next to history because SpaceX was so lasse faire about everything. He mentioned that once the first starship was going to be tested, everything would change, they'd become very by-the-books, and you'd never have that opportunity again.