Hyundai/Kia lawsuit in Atlanta

[rfuerst911sc]

Been watching this story unfold via the local news . Complaints from customers that their Hyundai and Kia vehicles are too easy to steal .

Apparently some models do not employ an immobilizer and therefore one less item a thief has to worry about . This mornings news broadcast stated the companies have settled the 200 million dollar lawsuit .

What do you guys think about this ? Are the companies negilent for not having an immobilizer ? Are the customers negligent for not getting educated on what they are buying ?

Isn't the real issue the car thieves ? Many cars before year 2000 can be started with a screwdriver jambed into the ignition switch . Are all those car manufacturers negligent for not having better theft protection ? My feelings are the issue is the thieves and it stops there . Thoughts ?

[LEAKYSEALS951]

I thought the engines failures were the immobilizer.

[unclebilly]

That’s on the customer… but a car with the features you want / need. Don’t sue the manufacturer after the fact for not having a feature you didn’t pay for.

[zakthor]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

That’s on the customer… but a car with the features you want / need. Don’t sue the manufacturer after the fact for not having a feature you didn’t pay for.

Yeah, dig a little deeper. 1/2 the cars stolen are kia and hyundai. Is it because theyre so desirable? The thieves have bad taste? Or are they all patked on dark streets in shady parts of town? Nope.

The cars have zero software security and ignition has no interlock. The ‘key’ is not a key, a plastic spokn works. They dont have adequate security, period. No crime school degree needed which is why theyre stolen.

Reasonable person expects key is needed to drive car, orherwise why provide it? Unfit for purpose which is why hyundai settled.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by zakthor

Yeah, dig a little deeper. 1/2 the cars stolen are kia and hyundai. Is it because theyre so desirable? The thieves have bad taste? Or are they all patked on dark streets in shady parts of town? Nope.

The cars have zero software security and ignition has no interlock. The ‘key’ is not a key, a plastic spokn works. They dont have adequate security, period. No crime school degree needed which is why theyre stolen.

Reasonable person expects key is needed to drive car, orherwise why provide it? Unfit for purpose which is why hyundai settled.

Very interesting and I didn't know that . Thanks for sharing .

[GH85Carrera]

When we lived in Hawaii in the 1960s dad bought a local car an old 40s Mercury. The key had been wired around and all anyone had to do was get in and step on the starter button on the floor. The ignition looked normal, and most anyone assumed it needed a key. It helped to be a old rusty hooptie that could only go 45 MPH. Of course that was long before the "interstate" highway and the max speed limit was 45 on the island. It would really struggle to get over the old Pali highway at all. He said it was great to not have to carry keys for it. He sold it for 50 bucks more than he paid for it, because he had to put new tires on it.

[john70t]

They are cheap cars made to be stolen but is this an issue outside consumer choice? How much involvement is acceptable given any product Any type of technology can be defeated with enough effort. What is made by man can be unmade by man. A mandatory safety recall perhaps based on the joyriding idiots, but a lawsuit by government?

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by john70t

They are cheap cars made to be stolen but is this an issue outside consumer choice? How much involvement is acceptable given any product Any type of technology can be defeated with enough effort. What is made by man can be unmade by man. A mandatory safety recall perhaps based on the joyriding idiots, but a lawsuit by government?

Consumers have a certain level of expectations for any car or product. Everyone assumes the car is going to function as car and be reasonably safe to be operate. We all expect the doors to stay on, the seats to stay in place, and part should not just fall of at random. We expect it to start and get us to a paved road destination every single time. Everyone expects the key means only the people who posses the key can use the vehicle. No one expects that a pro can't steal it, but a teenager with no experience or practice stealing cars can steal it in seconds with no key easier than stealing a bicycle. Almost criminal level of bad design and engineering.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Consumers have a certain level of expectations for any car or product. Everyone assumes the car is going to function as car and be reasonably safe to be operate. We all expect the doors to stay on, the seats to stay in place, and part should not just fall of at random. We expect it to start and get us to a paved road destination every single time. Everyone expects the key means only the people who posses the key can use the vehicle. No one expects that a pro can't steal it, but a teenager with no experience or practice stealing cars can steal it in seconds with no key easier than stealing a bicycle. Almost criminal level of bad design and engineering.

Someone bang your front door open do you sue the lock of the lumber company for making the door jamb too weak? Shoulda bought steel door jamb at a much higher cost? they came through your window, do they sue the window mfg or the glass companies or the gate builder because the gate was too low for them to hop over to easily ?

[unclebilly]

I dunno. You buy a Hyundai or Kia becasue they are cheap, not because they have excellent longevity, amazing performance, their F1 heritage, or the quality of their locks.

My dad bought a new 2019 Kia Sorrento (first sign of cognitive decline)… I’ve driven through the Rockies, it’s no Toyota, or even as refined as my wife’s 2011 Cayenne, or even my 2006 Cayenne that’s for sure. It’s purely acceptable, nothing more.

He was with my brother when they bought it and they went Kia instead of Honda or Toyota becasue they were cheaper, not better.

[A930Rocket]

What happened to personal responsibility and not stealing other peoples ****?

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

What happened to personal responsibility and not stealing other peoples ****?

Why bother when it is so easy to litigate away responsibility.

Just wait. H and K will improve the security and then get sued for charging more.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by zakthor

Yeah, dig a little deeper. 1/2 the cars stolen are kia and hyundai. Is it because theyre so desirable? The thieves have bad taste? Or are they all patked on dark streets in shady parts of town? Nope.

The cars have zero software security and ignition has no interlock. The ‘key’ is not a key, a plastic spokn works. They dont have adequate security, period. No crime school degree needed which is why theyre stolen.

Reasonable person expects key is needed to drive car, orherwise why provide it? Unfit for purpose which is why hyundai settled.

Neither did ANY of my cars prior to oh heck IDK when but its likely only since the late 90's. The key doesn't just start the car it enables nearly all of the electric functions.

Break any of the windows in a house and you're in. Sue the window manufacturer? Pick the lock on my door and you get to sue Schlage? Do you endorse suing gun manufacturers?

[look 171]

Shoot those fooking lawyers. Full stop.

[Arizona_928]

Youtube "kia boys".

Crack the steering column. Insert a a usb charger side into the ignition and turn it on as the key.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

What happened to personal responsibility and not stealing other peoples ****?

They have insurance...
If not. That schit is illegal.

[unclebilly]

Seems to me that any Toyota from about 79-88 had the same problem… you could open them by putting a coffee stir stick in the door lock and start them with the same… ain’t nobody suing toyota over this…

[Por_sha911]

a) Buyer beware? Who would think to ask "does it have an immobilizer?"
b) Sue the company? No. Have theft insurance or use a steering wheel club, and send a nice letter to corporate that I won't be back.

[stevej37]

[group911@aol.co]

You all don't think we're paying for H&k's poorly designed product?
Insurance is the socialization of risk.