So.... Did they shoot that private jet down?

[KFC911]

We'll likely never know the real story, but yeah .... I think it's very likely. What were their other viable options with an unresponsive pilot? Methinks they let it get over BFE .... then did what needed to be done under those circumstances.

edit: Maybe it was a private plane .... and not a jet .... I dunno

[Arizona_928]

The cessna?
Somic boom over dc...


That's a conspiracy theory...

[KFC911]

The fighter jets went supersonic in pursuit according to the news .... was it a Cessna .... I just caught a bit of it.

[stevej37]

I never much cared for those Sonic's.
They make me go boom.

[LWJ]

I have two theories. Either is acceptable.

1) Pilot is non-responsive, crashes.
2) Pilot is wanting to make a point / political statement. Get's steered off course. Kills self.

[greglepore]

No. It crashed about a half hour from here. It sure sounds like Payne Stewart all over again. Flew on autopilot to Long Island, its destination, likely with a dead pilot and pax, and then flew south until it ran out of fuel.

[rockfan4]

Dumb question:
Could a fighter flying across the path of the jet cause enough turbulence to disengage the autopilot, thus picking the place where it went down?

This is Payne Stewart all over again.

On the other hand, if you want to send this to PARF - look at the owners of the plane.

The plane was flying the unmistakable proof that Hunter Biden's penis was the DNA key to the Benghazi vault where Hilary, Obama, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and Stalin's Brain hid the evidence the 2020 election was stolen and Donald Trump actually got 330,000,000 American votes, and the pilot doubled-back to Washington to land on the National Mall where Lauren Boebert and MTG would have personally received the evidence, carrying it to Capitol Hill for an instant vote of 435-0 and 100-0 reinstating Donald Trump as President For Life, backed up by a 9-0 Supreme Court vote. BUT, the Biden Lizard Robot Clone was able to use its alien technology to override the pilot's control using the "crash plane to distract from Democrat crimes" chip installed in every motorized vehicle and prevent the plane from landing AND prevent the military heroes secretly under the control of Real Commander in Chief Donald Trump from saving the plane, resulting in a "fiery crash" over rural Virginia -- right next to the bunker where JFK and JFK Jr. are imprisoned. The pilot and crew of this plane -- Donald Trump Jr., Kirk Cameron, Rush Limbaugh, and Vince Foster -- are now held in the same prison and forced to harvest adrenochrome from trafficked Christian children terrified senseless by endless farts from Alec Baldwin.

I know, I know -- it's *too* simple.

[pavulon]

By report, it was a private Cessna Citation V 560 at 34,000 feet that traveled through restricted space.

Remember Payne Stewart? Seems entirely possible to be another bad situation of people poisoned by their own plane which flew itself until it ran out of fuel.

Originally Posted by KC911

We'll likely never know the real story, but yeah .... I think it's very likely. What were their other viable options with an unresponsive pilot? Methinks they let it get over BFE .... then did what needed to be done under those circumstances.

edit: Maybe it was a private plane .... and not a jet .... I dunno

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by rockfan4

Dumb question:
Could a fighter flying across the path of the jet cause enough turbulence to disengage the autopilot.

I know nothing of aviation but I saw a video over the weekend discussing Chines harassment of US military assets and in the video, a Chinese fighter crosses in front of a surveillance plane causing turbulence.

So, maybe?


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[KFC911]

I agree with all of you with regards to the 'cause.... just wondering if it ran out of fuel and crashed, or it was forced down.

I heard HRC was flying the lead fighter jet too .... or mebbe it was Bill

[greglepore]

No wide debris field. A single deep crater. A few arm sized chunks of aluminum visible along with scattered human remains.
If it was a shoot down, they picked a good spot as it was very remote. But the single crater sort of eliminates that theory.

[varmint]

some russian spent $500 on facebook ads and brought it down.


yes, jet turbulence could send it out of control. but not in a predictable way. it could spin immediately into a mountain or go another hundred miles and hit a school. not a responsible thing to do.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by greglepore

No wide debris field. A single deep crater. A few arm sized chunks of aluminum visible along with scattered human remains.
If it was a shoot down, they picked a good spot as it was very remote. But the single crater sort of eliminates that theory.

Thanks!

[matthewb0051]

Commonly held belief that the Payne Stewart aircraft would have been shot down. However, DOD denies that. Interesting that Canadian PM had authorized shoot down:

Assuming Wiki is correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

There was some speculation in the media that the fighter jets were prepared to shoot down the Learjet if it threatened to crash in a heavily populated area.[citation needed] Officials at the Pentagon strongly denied that possibility. Shooting down the plane "was never an option," Air Force spokesman Captain Joe Della Vedova said, adding that "I don't know where that came from."[9]

Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien authorized the Canadian Forces Air Command to shoot down the plane if it entered Canadian airspace without making contact. He writes in his 2018 memoirs, "The plane was heading toward the city of Winnipeg and the air traffic controllers feared that it would crash into the Manitoba capital. I was asked to give permission for the military to bring down the plane if that became necessary. With a heavy heart, I authorized the procedure. Shortly after I made my decision, I learned that the plane had crashed in South Dakota."[10]

[greglepore]

I'm sure the fighter jocks had a pretty good fix on what was going on. Once the plane departed DC airspace it was over the mountains for the most part. Flight Aware data shows it dropping at 30k ft/minute at the end, so it likely ran out of fuel and then lost airspeed and stall/spun in. But yeah, had it been a threat to anyone other actions would have been appropriate.
Also, big crater but no sign of massive fire...

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by greglepore

I'm sure the fighter jocks had a pretty good fix on what was going on. Once the plane departed DC airspace it was over the mountains for the most part. Flight Aware data shows it dropping at 30k ft/minute at the end, so it likely ran out of fuel and then lost airspeed and stall/spun in. But yeah, had it been a threat to anyone other actions would have been appropriate.
Also, big crater but no sign of massive fire...

Agree...

[pavulon]

Shooting it down shifts accountability for resulting ground damage/casualties onto the military.

[GH85Carrera]

Most likely the pilot experienced Hypoxia and just went unconscious due to not enough pressurization. Hopefully the NTSB will figure it out.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by greglepore

No. It crashed about a half hour from here. It sure sounds like Payne Stewart all over again. Flew on autopilot to Long Island, its destination, likely with a dead pilot and pax, and then flew south until it ran out of fuel.

Holy crap Greg! I was riding my bike near there this weekend.

One report says montebello. Another St. Mary's wilderness. I was on the parkway there Sat. On wintergreen on Sunday. It was very overcast on Sunday above about 1000 ft. Low hanging clouds, not that that would have caused anything, but I couldn't see 100 ft on the bike once I rode up there.

edit- I'm seeing augusta county sheriff cars, so I'm thinking st marys. My dad had a place over there.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

Holy crap Greg! I was riding my bike near there this weekend.

One report says montebello. Another St. Mary's wilderness. I was on the parkway there Sat. On wintergreen on Sunday. It was very overcast on Sunday above about 1000 ft. Low hanging clouds, not that that would have caused anything, but I couldn't see 100 ft on the bike once I rode up there.

edit- I'm seeing augusta county sheriff cars, so I'm thinking st marys. My dad had a place over there.

Yeah, St Mary's. Heavy going for the search parties, and the helicopters had issues with the low ceiling.