UFOs and Stuff Part II
 

From ADD: Just posting this because it's blowing my mind. I've been sub'd to /r/ufos for like... idk... over 10 years, and this is the biggest thing I've ever seen happen, when a senior USAF guy who's specialized in unidentified aircraft goes public with this, testifies to congress for 11 hours, and starts doing interviews. Initially, it was only on this website yesterday:

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

But as of this morning at lunch, lots of mainstream news outlets are covering it:

https://www.newsweek.com/ufo-uap-craft-found-covered-whistleblower-claims-1804733
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/military-whistleblower-public-claims-us-secret-ufo-retrieval-program-terrestrial-arms-race
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/david-grusch-ufo-report_n_647eb0c1e4b0047ed782f875

Pretty crazy stuff. Urge all of you to read this, this represents a HUGE paradigm shift in how people are talking about this, no X files jokes, no discussion about 'objects' but real talk about possession of non-human craft, and bodies. As far as I am aware, this is the highest ranking military guy to ever step forward like this...
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id like to see some real evidence.

lots of words, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

ADD, care to weigh in?

Thanks.

I have seen them, as I have written many times before.

No aliens, just the thing being flown.

Definitely interesting...as far as sightings go, too many credible witnesses like Paul to not believe that something is out there.

Not really much to add, other than this is a pretty significant change in how this subject is being discussed.

Until about 5 years ago, you were laughed at and people basically tried to destroy your career/credibility for seriously talking about it, and then the government admitted UNIDENTIFIED objects. They sort of always stressed it doesn't mean aliens, it just means it isn't identified.

This is a big shift because the guy, who again, is a high ranking USAF officer directly related to these fields, comes straight out and says US gov has been involved in salvage operations for decades, and has recovered crashed AND intact craft from non-human origin, and in the interviews, he even says yes, sometimes bodies. He also states that the goal of this is purely to reverse engineer technology for a military advantage, which suggests other countries may be doing the same thing.

As for the actual smoking gun evidence, that isn't shared because we don't have security clearance and what he shared WITH congress is classified... but like.... look at what congress people are saying on twitter:

https://twitter.com/timburchett/status/1665712542109384706
https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1666106108103233538

This isn't evidence of anything... but it seems like a huge tipping point in how things are being discussed in a professional journalistic manner.

I have a ton of questions I don't have any answers for, but this is one of the most interesting stories in the news I've read about in the past few years, so I thought it'd be worth sharing.

We captured an unidentified object at high speed across the face of a full moon with the MX15 sensor.

Never was able to ID it, but faster than anything in the atmo could go.


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Fermi paradox. I kinda hope(d) that we are alone and the universe is our playground.

As a life long science fiction fan, I really hope to live long enough to hear and see concrete irrefutable proof of extraterrestrial life. Doubly so if that they have actually visited Earth.

Any civilization that can travel interstellar distances must be super long lived, or more advanced than we can begin to fathom.

There are more stars in the skies than grains of sand on all of Earth, there can't be much special or unique about Earth.

I also read a lot of science fiction.

One common theme is slowly releasing information to the general public so it does not create a panic.

Wonder if this step one, meaning he is being told to say all of this......

If the little green men came here, we wouldn't stand a chance unless they adhere to the Star Trek prime directive. If they come here, they want something from us/Earth and humans are just food or labor or other resources. We're just meat bags full of water.

Yep... Just the idea that something is out there way more advanced than we are fills me with dread.

I just hope the first contact goes well.

My grandmother had a fantastic recipe for serving aliens ...

She never wrote it down either :D

why?

Have you ever gone for a walk in the woods and accidentally stepped on something that was minding it's own business?

i have.

i also have moved very carefully to limit any effect my presence might have.

you get to choose right? we get to choose. well, in this case, they get to choose.

That's assuming they haven't been here before, throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_hieroglyphs

There's a lot of really strange coincidences in carvings of ancient civilizations spaced really far apart. We go visit dolphins sometimes just so say what's up, not necessarily dominate them, even if we had the technology to kill all of them.

Well if they are indeed already visiting, they already ARE more advanced and yet have not yet eradicated us despite all the stupid stuff we've been doing for centuries, and ongoing wars, planet failure etc... so I gotta go with benevolent or we are a "case study of what not to do" they're reporting on for a science project, or " they love our music" .

For the military to start releasing footage, it's getting pretty interesting and a lot less "fringe"

I've always been amazed at how many UFOs crash. The greys should spend less time anally probing Whitley Streiber and more time doing maintenance.

We can't control what they do but we can control what we do.

I'm an optimist and we'll be fine in the long run because we've always landed on our feet.

or its over, and we never had chance. not ideal, but also nothing we can do about it.

until there is real, public, evidence, i remain unconvinced that UFOs are more than current black government programs.

A lot can happen "in the long run". We'll learn and be better for it.

Without something more than some guy (even if he should be reputable) proclaiming things, I need a bit more.

On only the most loosely related subject. When I was a kid, I loved "Project UFO" which was about Project Blue Book. I think it was a short series in the 70s that was kind of like an early X-files. I could have sworn that it was called Project Blue Book, but it seems like that was only a series a few years ago.

I also loved X-files, but towards the end it had lost its luster. I prefered the stories about weird stuff more than the never-ending conspiracy/cabal story line.

Absolutely.

However, comma, the Wheel of Aeronautic Misfortune is irresolute: A V-22 is a mess because it doesn't particularly do any thing well. Same with VTOL fighters.

All about SWP and Endurance.

What flew next to me in 1986 was not of this known, and I gained a lot of insight in future tours, design parameters in terms of performance.

I don't worry for a second, btw. If whatever wanted me gone, I was a gnat.

I have no problem believing that there has been, and for a long time, a covert US government program to collect wreckage from unidentified anomalous phenomena. And I would suspect that all items collected have a terrestrial origin. After all, how could anyone ever say that something was not from this planet? We discover new things all the time. That doesn't mean that something we don't recognize is from another world. Did it have a label on it, "Made on the 3rd planet from Alpha Centuri"?

There is sufficient evidence that the US government has kept technological secrets for many decades. I think many governments being successful in keeping those sorts of secrets is achievable and such occurring in the past is probably easily provable, if not a complete given.

But....and here's where the rubber meets the road.... if any single human laid eyes on something that was conclusive evidence of a extra terrestrial lifeform or intelligence, the discovery would be of such monumental significance to humanity that the secret simply could not be kept. Coming to grips with that sort of proof would shake any individual to the core. Imagine being that guy and keeping a lid on it. No measure of stigmata would keep you silent. And you could recount exactly what you saw - 1st hand, in detail. And finally, who would be able to silence you? Anyone you report to would demand to see the proof you saw, and they'd instantly be in the same boat. It is simply a secret that could not be kept.

So put me in the camp that believes the government has recovered a lot of weird and wild stuff, and that we don't know where it came from, but none of it can be said with certainty to be from another world.

There was a long time poster here that checked out a while back and his signature block said, "If time travel were ever to exist it already does." I think the same can be said of interstellar travel. No species has evolved to that point without an extinction event. I don't believe we'll get there either. And it may be a self-limiting thing. Perhaps the technological advancements necessary to achieve interstellar travel play a not-insignificant role in an intelligent species' extinction. And it's not like interstellar species can learn from the mistakes of others if they can't get there to learn.

UFOs not from another planet.
But from ancient technology that evolved here and was kept a secret.
Hundreds of thousands of books destroyed in dozens of libraries several hundred years ago.
Some books still remain but who has them?

Lol. I've seen some discussions about that, let me toss this at you.

For a while, we trained pigeons to be inside of cruise missiles and tap on screens so the missiles would home in on their intended target, in this case, ships on the ocean. So we used simple organic matter to control our 'dumb' craft.

So... maybe it's just easier to engineer some organic "pilot" that does a job pretty well/cheaply/efficiently than to hire a real human to sit inside the disposable missile.

I've never thought of time travel in this way before. Thanks.

There have been many weird and unusual aircraft from Area 51 seen and recorded, and they look like a UFO from some other planet. We all are familiar witht he SR-71 and how different it was from any other airplane then or now.

I truly hope the USAF has the new SR-72 in production as the many rumors say. I hope they have test aircraft that are next level and look extraterrestrial to the average observer. I want the USA to have a SR72 that can get into orbit, and do things we can't imagine as just taxpayers.

And as I said, I really hope to live long enough to learn there is other life, and more important, extraterrestrial intelligent life out there. I feel certain there is other life out there, but unfortunately so far away that any signal would be hundreds of light years away.

Pics or it didn't happen. [emoji23]

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That's what my buddy said when I told him about a fish I caught!

..... so I drew him a picture of it :D

Don't feel bad, I vividly remember watching Project Blue Book.
I have always been very into SCI-FI and even went to the 1st Star-Trek convention in Jacksonville, Florida with Gene Roddenberry hosting it.
And, like others, I have been intrigued by the UFO phenomenon and have been to a few seminars, OK, 3 in 40 years.
Back to Project Blue Book, I looked forward to it every week, even though many times they found a legitimate explanation, but some episodes they clearly couldn't explain.
What is crazy is it appears that some places it was called Project UFO, but, like you, and others, I remember Blue Book.

https://subethasoftware.com/2022/05/19/project-blue-book-the-1970s-tv-series-called-something-else/

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Or maybe we have been contacted and just don't know it...

that is the point of this exercise. think it's called an expose.

could what has been kept from the public to this point meet your criteria of "proof"?

what is your definition of "extraordinary evidence"?

Be careful what you wish for.

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Even the most feared predator conceals its nest.

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If Dolphins had nukes and bioweapon labs and lived on land, relations might not be quite so cosy.



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First, we know travel to the future is possible. It simply involves travelling at high speed relative to one's surroundings.

Also, bear in mind that the parameters of the travel may be very limiting, so one may only be able to send back limited information or to limited places, or only say very long distances and times, not send back short times.

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I think we've already pissed off our new overlords.

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