Cancer versus sound

[BK911]

Originally Posted by BK911

I cannot comment on the test rig.
I can comment on the physics and they are 100% legit.
This is how sound works.
Resonant frequency.
Right amount of energy at a precise frequency can destroy ANYTHING.

https://youtube.com/shorts/DwXWAZn7p-Q?si=EPTWlm3vamFJKxRV

Anything?
Yup, down to a molecular level.
Sqrt k / m
Each element has a distinct resonate frequency.
Hit that element with its resonate frequency at the right power and duration and it will vibrate to failure.
Everything.

Fascinating!!

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Excitation, absorption or emission?

I’m under the impression that cymatics is not quantitative and has low penetration… used for art and not medicine.


now if we’re talking about photo acoustic imaging. lol

https://youtu.be/2ZMUNyLmarQ?si=XFcOAW2edGYYLYZg

This!

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[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by BK911

I cannot comment on the test rig.
I can comment on the physics and they are 100% legit.
This is how sound works.
Resonant frequency.
Right amount of energy at a precise frequency can destroy ANYTHING.

https://youtube.com/shorts/DwXWAZn7p-Q?si=EPTWlm3vamFJKxRV

Cymatics? It's the sandbox.
Resonant destruction? That’s trench fighting tech.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by BK911

Anything?
Yup, down to a molecular level.
Sqrt k / m
Each element has a distinct resonate frequency.
Hit that element with its resonate frequency at the right power and duration and it will vibrate to failure.
Everything.

Fascinating!!

Yes but that’s not this technology…

Cymatics shows how frequencies shape matter, which is like sand forming patterns on a vibrating plate or water forming standing waves. It's a cool demonstration of how vibration organizes material, but the energy levels involved are low….

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by BK911

Depends on the frequency.

One aspect.
Others include amplitude and time.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

To be fair, I’m sure the exact same thing was said when someone suggested to blast it with radiation.

Radiation…

I think my favorite novel cancer treatment has been the gold nano particles that are injected into the blood stream, cancer is imaged in real time and a laser ablates the cells without a single entrance wound. Currently in the last phase of human trails.


As long as the mechanism for cancer are unknown, everything is catch up reaction…. But we really don’t know squat about the human body, let alone real science.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Most modern medicine is cause and effect, we understand very little about the why.

Adjacent topic, I actually had an aerospace project that ended up being a resonant frequency issue. We had an anti-ice valve that was part of the jet engine bleed air path, which means it was getting pulsed frequency air off of the fan blades. The valves were failing prematurely at a high rate, and after a lot of investigation and testing we determined that the valve resonant frequency coincided with the frequency of the air coming off of the fan blades. The valve would start vibrating internally and beat itself to death. Redesigned the valve to change the resonant frequency, problem solved.

[BK911]

The why files.
Also one of my favorites.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1L7wNgKZTf/

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by BK911

Different resonate frequencies.

resonate frequency is related mostly to two things: material composition, and characteristic length. ie a tuning fork. cancer cells are made of the same stuff as normal cells, and are basically the same size.

ie, cancer cells, and normal cells, have similar resonate frequencies. so anything you play to kill cancer cells, will kill normal cells.

the trick to fighting cancer isnt killing cancer cells. the trick to fighting cancer is killing cancer cells, without killing normal cells.

ie, why i compared this to a 9mm. sure, a 9mm kills cancer cells, really well. but it also kills normal cells equally well. any sound you play to destroy cancer cells, will destroy normal cells at nearly the exact same rate.

long story short, this doesnt cure cancer. but we all knew that.




please, go to high school. im begging you.

[BK911]

Sorry Cock... but you are wrong.
Resonant frequency is spring constant and mass.
Length only applies as it effects mass.
And the world is way beyond a high school level understanding of physics.
Quantum mechanics, string theory, Quantum entanglement, etc.
Not taught in HS.
Arguing out of ignorance again?
Get educated then debate.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by BK911

Sorry Cock... but you are wrong.
Resonant frequency is spring constant and mass.
Length only applies as it effects mass.
And the world is way beyond a high school level understanding of physics.
Quantum mechanics, string theory, Quantum entanglement, etc.
Not taught in HS.
Arguing out of ignorance again?
Get educated then debate.

thats fine, you are wrong, but your double wrong.

cancer cells weight about the same as normal ones, and have the same spring constant.



PLEASE, go to high school.

[BK911]

Wow, OK ...punk.
You can't even spell but I'm supposed to believe you understand physics?

Thanks for the bump though!

[BK911]

Weigh "about" the same and same spring constant?
Holy moly.
H and He weigh "about" the same too. Lol.
You really should be embarrassed, but probably wouldn't understand why.

Back to ignore Cock...

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by BK911

Wow, OK ...punk.
You can't even spell but I'm supposed to believe you understand physics?

Thanks for the bump though!

so you have given up on your claim?

k. thats all i care about.



there are people in this world who actually have cancer, and they should treat it the most effective ways possible. not have some ****ing youtube quack who doesn't know high school physics out here telling them there is a giant conspiracy to suppress the fact that sound cures everything.

its dumb, and its insulting to everyone. its dangerous, and its going to hurt people.

[BK911]

People are dying from drinking warm milk too. Haha!!

Nope, stand by the claim that sound can eliminate cancer without harming surrounding tissue.
100%.

Besides questioning the test rig and calling me a poopy face, any facts regarding the physics?
"About the same"
Oh my, that's not how it works.

Embarrassing.

[BK911]

About the same.
Oh man, that's gold Jerry, gold!
Doesn't "about the same" mean different?
Gold!
Actually lol on that one.
Please stop, might poop myself.
Lol.

[masraum]

The problem that I see is that "cancer" isn't one thing so one therapy isn't going to cure/eradicate all cancer cells. It'll have to be tailored for each type. And I'm not holding my breath for this to be a thing. If it works out, great, but I don't think it's going to be that simple.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/12194-cancer

Cancer is a large group of diseases with one thing in common: They happen when normal cells become cancerous cells that multiply and spread.

There are over 100 types of cancer. Healthcare providers categorize them according to where they start in your body and the type of tissue they affect. There are three broad cancer classifications:

Solid cancers: This is the most common type of cancer, making up about 80% to 90% of all cases. This includes carcinoma that forms in epithelial tissue (like your skin, breast, colon and lungs) and sarcoma that forms in bone and connective tissues.
Blood cancers: These are cancers that start in your blood cells or lymphatic system. Examples include leukemia, lymphoma and multiple myeloma.
Mixed: Cancers that involve two classifications or subtypes. Examples include carcinosarcoma and adenosquamous carcinoma.

[BK911]

Excellent point Steve.
Fortunately there are MANY different frequencies too.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

this won't work either...

Why not?

Originally Posted by BK911

This isn't medicine.
It's physics.

It is physics, but it is also medicine.

Laser therapy to treat fungal lung infections is a thing. They initially looked at UV light, but that is no good, as it damages the lung tissue. Found a wavelength of laser light that destroyed the fungus, but did not harm the lungs, due to the wavelength(frequency) of the light.

Why would it not work for sound too?

[BK911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Why not?


It is physics, but it is also medicine.

Laser therapy to treat fungal lung infections is a thing. They initially looked at UV light, but that is no good, as it damages the lung tissue. Found a wavelength of laser light that destroyed the fungus, but did not harm the lungs, due to the wavelength(frequency) of the light.

Why would it not work for sound too?

That's interesting.
Sound and light are both energy, just at different frequencies.
So really same same.