All new cars to have kill switches by 2026

[john70t]

(send this to parf if need be)

A couple of things stand out:
1). It requires constant tracking of a vehicle. Naturally. The camel's head in the tent. The Amendment after the third one covers this.

2). It requires remote inter-connectivity of vehicle systems which could be hackable by bad actors. This is the perfect carjacking scenario. Also good for terrorist and bank robber use with a thousand projectiles available to shut down roads. Getting stuck in a bad neighborhood would be a death sentence.

3). The determination and trigger point is completely undetermined, and undisclosed. Someone could be looking for an address with a lot of variable start and stopping. Someone could be making good time on an empty highway. So what constitutes the definition of "impaired" and who determines it?

4). The government already mandates private insurance be paid to cover any possible medical costs. It allows repeat offenders to to be released back into the public to commit more crimes. It bears zero responsibility in the purchase/fueling/maintenance/upkeep of said vehicle. Why is it involved when it contributes absolutely nothing to a citizen's personal transportation and private property?

5). Cell phone texting while driving has been shown to be far more hazardous than drunk driving. They call it "distracted driving" to steer the blame away. This would be the easiest fix but it remains untouched. Bad roads, bad designs, poor signage all create additional hazards.

https://www.palermolawgroup.com/blog/vehicle-kill-switch-law
"A concern arises with whether the security of the impaired driving prevention technology will be responsible for being able to remotely assess a person’s level of impairment and shut off the car if it determines the driver is not in a fit state to operate the vehicle. The system may be able to accurately identify if a person has exceeded the legal limit of blood alcohol concentration for driving, but what about other unique circumstances? For example, drivers who are injured or in an emergency may be deemed too impaired to operate their vehicle, even though in reality the inability to operate their vehicle is likely to cause more harm to themselves and others they are trying to protect in these cases.


In addition, any computerized system that is connected to a network via the internet is at risk for hacking and infiltration by nefarious actors. The risk of injury would certainly rise in cases where a hacker was able to remotely activate a vehicle’s kill switch while the car was in motion going down a roadway. At the time of this writing, these concerns have yet to be addressed by the creators of the bill."

[Tobra]

So no cars newer than 2025

Mostly don't care for new cars though. Probably will do a mandatory retrofit in California.

[cockerpunk]

AP has deemed this claim false: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

all cars already have a kill switch, its called ground.

[Chocaholic]

Technology to prevent drunk drivers from driving is fine with me. It seems that’s the intent of the bill. Not government over reach.

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

AP has deemed this claim false: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

all cars already have a kill switch, its called ground.

GM's OnStar already has the ability to turn off your car wheater you subscribe to the service or not.
I'd expect all other companies to also have this ability.

[911boost]

Is it possible to disable OnStar?

[Rick Lee]

There will be plenty of workarounds, and I will happily pay for one.

[pwd72s]

Sure is nice to live in the land of the free...

[Arizona_928]

Snip the shark fin antenna?

[Tobra]

Last year, the Biden administration drafted a 2,700 page infrastructure bill with a total budget of approximately $1 trillion. While it is unreasonable to expect the average American citizen to read through every page of Biden’s infrastructure bill, some lawmakers have taken the time to do so. What they discovered was that this bill includes a measure that mandates automakers to install vehicle backdoor kill switches in every car by 2026.

This sure reads like a mandatory retrofit

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Technology to prevent drunk drivers from driving is fine with me. It seems that’s the intent of the bill. Not government over reach.

What makes you feel this way?

[jyl]

The linked article seems misleading at best. Shame, as it was allegedly written by lawyers,

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/infrastructure-bill-track-drivers/

A closer look at the text revealed it is true the federal government gave itself three years to establish a rule that would require new cars to be “equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology.” However, what that new technology will entail had yet to be determined. Furthermore, a host of factors may extend the 2024 deadline for the new rule. Lastly, there is no mention of a “kill switch” that law enforcement could use to “shut your car off.”

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Tobra

This sure reads like a mandatory retrofit



What makes you feel this way?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/19/fact-check-false-claim-bill-mandates-kill-switch-cars-police-drunk-driving/11066287002/

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Technology to prevent drunk drivers from driving is fine with me. It seems that’s the intent of the bill. Not government over reach.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" has never gone well.

[Pazuzu]

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/1132785-kill-switch-coming-all-new-cars.html

[john70t]

Vehicle electronics have turned into data-collect centers.
Everything from location to conversations to driving habits to passenger devices are collected. Including biometrics which will be used for future identification.
And yet the buyer/owner is unaware.

This should be "opt-in" by law. A known mutual agreement. And the terms made clear at time of sale.


https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/what-data-does-my-car-collect-about-me-and-where-does-it-go/
Other bits of information about you and your passengers can be collected automatically, when you’re just sitting there. Because while your car is waiting to respond to your command, its sensors are, uh, “sensing”. That’s probably why vehicle data hubs, the data brokers of the car industry, can brag about having so many data points like driver fatigue -- which monitors head and eye position -- and heart rate.

Another way your car collects data is from the connected services you use from your car’s dashboard, like satellite radio or a GPS route planner. Then there’s the devices you connect to it, like a telematics device: a plug-in that sends information about your driving behavior to your insurance company, or your phone. Car companies can also get data about you from your phone when you download the car’s app.


Mfr ratings bad-worse, per mozilla:
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/

[GH85Carrera]

I was planning on keeping my old 1980s cars for as long as I can safely drive, and I plan to be the one that decides when that is.

This just helps me think it is a wise decision.

[ADDvanced]

I read this was fake. Won't stop boomers and red hats from believing it tho.

[john70t]

ADD, I saw a few of your tech vids and was impressed with the DIY skills. You do good work. Don't take this the wrong way but the subject matter is universal to all people. And all people are different. That is all.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Technology to prevent drunk drivers from driving is fine with me. It seems that’s the intent of the bill. Not government over reach.

that already exists. it's a breathalyser linked to the ignition. know two people that have them (court ordered).

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

I read this was fake. Won't stop boomers and red hats from believing it tho.

boomers....you are a fountain of useful info aren't you. first it was 'bro' multiple times in another thread now you're tossing out 'boomers'. you probably don't realize this but you are standing on the deck of the titanic mocking people heading for life boats.