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javadog 01-19-2023 07:27 AM

Two years, it took to get to this point.

gacook 01-19-2023 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11900687)
Two years, it took to get to this point.

It's been 2 years already? Wow.

A slap on the wrist, really (if even convicted)...kinda sad.

Baz 01-19-2023 07:30 AM

I predict they both plead out to a lesser charge.

Hope they finish the movie....

Cairo94507 01-19-2023 07:32 AM

Baldwin will never serve a day and he is the one most culpable.

javadog 01-19-2023 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gacook (Post 11900689)
It's been 2 years already? Wow.

A slap on the wrist, really (if even convicted)...kinda sad.

Well, not quite. In actuality it’s only been 15 months. The shooting occurred in October 2021.

Still, 15 months is a effing long time to do an investigation like this.

The Synergizer 01-19-2023 09:25 AM

Baldwin should just do the time. It's what celebrities do for their resume. Maybe give him some new movie ideas.

I guess I'd agree it was involuntary manslaughter, regardless how stupid it was. He wasn't trying to kill her.

jamesnmlaw 01-19-2023 10:11 AM

Probably plea down to negligent use of a deadly weapon, a petty misdemeanor. Of course, after a dog-and-pony show. Sentencing? 180 days maximum incarceration and/or a $500 maximum fine. Judge may suspend incarceration and/or fine. Looks like the AD made the right decision. Hope the AD has/will offer evidence on the matter.

Sooner or later AB will see the light and turn against HGR. AB and AD will offer testimony that HGR erred. Maybe HGR has an ace up her sleeve, something she can use to dirty AB if he turns. Lots of back room stuff going on, what with NM wanting to remain Hollywood friendly, AB wanting to preserve his position as an influencer, and HGR wanting to avoid jail time (her career is probably finished anyway).

Reminder to all: if handed a weapon it is your responsibility as to what happens with the weapon while it is in your possession. That responsibility cannot be delegated. That responsibility cannot be relieved asserting the person handing you the weapon said the weapon had no live rounds.

rcecale 01-19-2023 03:42 PM

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dlockhart 01-19-2023 09:58 PM

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rcecale 01-20-2023 09:31 AM

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kach22i 01-21-2023 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesnmlaw (Post 11900881)
Probably plea down to negligent use of a deadly weapon, a petty misdemeanor.

One of the people involved already plead guilty to that charge.

Not sure what the state of the incident classifies that crime as, looks like it may vary state to state.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/940/ii/24
Quote:

940.24  Injury by negligent handling of dangerous weapon, explosives or fire.

(1)  Except as provided in sub. (3), whoever causes bodily harm to another by the negligent operation or handling of a dangerous weapon, explosives or fire is guilty of a Class I felony.

(2) Whoever causes bodily harm to an unborn child by the negligent operation or handling of a dangerous weapon, explosives or fire is guilty of a Class I felony.

jamesnmlaw 01-21-2023 11:48 AM

see: 30-7-4(A)(3) NMSA 2011

Petty misdemeanor in NM. Up to 180 days in the can and/or up to $500 fine.

Upon arrest, AB will do an overnight in Santa Fe celebrity / special person jail. Will spend a few hours in processing, holding, and arrangement. Bail out early the next morning (like, 3am early - 'cause he's special). Dog and pony show. Eventual plea to negligent use sometime when the matter is all but forgotten. Time served, maximum fine (ball sweat to AB), and perhaps some PSAs on gun safety. Something like that is probably the best that the Santa Fe special prosecutor is probably hoping for. Maybe the best that AB could hope for. I'd take the deal, accept the penalty. Great publicity for AB rationalizing the whole matter as just unpleasant free marketing for Rust.

Spin it as, "See, I told you, guns are inherently dangerous and therefore should be taken away from you."

Crowbob 01-21-2023 11:51 AM

‘See, I told you, guns are inherently dangerous and therefore should be taken away from you, not me.’


FIFY…

rcecale 01-21-2023 12:24 PM

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flatbutt 01-24-2023 03:09 PM

I was wondering if anyone makes a "wad cutter" for the .45? Such could be mistaken for a blank.

The Synergizer 01-24-2023 03:37 PM

It doesn't matter.

flatbutt 01-24-2023 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Synergizer (Post 11905307)
It doesn't matter.

Unless it helps explain how a live round got onto the set.

302340 01-27-2023 01:19 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11684201/Rust-assistant-director-expected-testify-AGAINST-Alec-Baldwin-armorer.html

"The assistant director of Rust is expected to testify against Alec Baldwin when the star faces trial on charges of involuntary manslaughter following the shooting death of director of photography Halyna Hutchins on set in October 2021.

Prosecutors have secured David Halls' testimony in their case against Baldwin and Rust's armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, reports Variety. Baldwin accidentally shot-and-killed Hutchins after being given a loaded gun during filming.

Previous witnesses have said that Halls handed Baldwin the gun and that he declared it a 'cold gun' despite the presence of live ammo in the chamber, according to a search warrant. 'Cold gun' is a term used on sets to notify that live ammo isn't being used. ..."


Lee

Arizona_928 01-27-2023 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 302340 (Post 11907765)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11684201/Rust-assistant-director-expected-testify-AGAINST-Alec-Baldwin-armorer.html

"The assistant director of Rust is expected to testify against Alec Baldwin when the star faces trial on charges of involuntary manslaughter following the shooting death of director of photography Halyna Hutchins on set in October 2021.

Prosecutors have secured David Halls' testimony in their case against Baldwin and Rust's armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, reports Variety. Baldwin accidentally shot-and-killed Hutchins after being given a loaded gun during filming.

Previous witnesses have said that Halls handed Baldwin the gun and that he declared it a 'cold gun' despite the presence of live ammo in the chamber, according to a search warrant. 'Cold gun' is a term used on sets to notify that live ammo isn't being used. ..."


Lee


Ha. He flipped quick

flatbutt 02-04-2023 08:36 AM

Well this interesting...if true

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11711529/Rust-armorer-Hannah-Gutierrez-Reeds-lawyer-claims-stretched-thin.html

sc_rufctr 02-07-2023 09:19 PM

Wed, 8 February 2023

Alec Baldwin wants 'Rust' prosecutor dismissed as she's a Republican lawmaker: 'Unconstitutional'

Alec Baldwin wants the special prosecutor in his involuntary manslaughter case removed. In Tuesday's new filing, the actor claims Andrea Reeb's status as a Republican lawmaker in the New Mexico House of Representatives is "unconstitutional" — and one legal expert says he has a point. Baldwin was formally charged last week in the fatal shooting of Rust cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins.

"The question is not a close one," the motion declares. "She must be disqualified."

According to the filing obtained by Yahoo Entertainment, Baldwin — who is known for his liberal views — avoided claiming politics are at play behind the decision to file criminal charges. The motion to disqualify, filed by his attorney Luke Nikas, lays out a constitutional argument.

"Under Section 1 of Article III of the New Mexico Constitution, however, a sitting member of the Legislature may not 'exercise any powers properly belonging' to either the executive or judicial branch," the document reads. "As a special prosecutor, Representative Reeb is vested by statute with 'all the powers and duties' of a District Attorney, who is considered to be a member of either the judicial or executive branch of the New Mexico government... Representative Reeb is therefore exercising either the executive power or the judicial power, and her continued service as a special prosecutor is unconstitutional."

Reeb, who was appointed by the District Attorney to the case, previously said Baldwin, Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and first assistant director, David Halls are responsible for Hutchins's death.

“If any one of these three people... had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It's that simple," she declared last month. "The evidence clearly shows a pattern of criminal disregard for safety on the Rust film set. In New Mexico, there is no room for film sets that don’t take our state’s commitment to gun safety and public safety seriously."

The New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney calls Baldwin's new motion a distraction.

"Mr. Baldwin and his attorneys can use whatever tactics they want to distract from the fact that Halyna Hutchins died because of more than mere negligence on the Rust film set. However, the district attorney and the special prosecutor will remain focused on the evidence and on trying this case so that justice is served," spokesperson, Heather Brewer, tells Yahoo.

However, high-powered criminal defense attorney Michel Huff thinks Baldwin's motion may be granted.

"Because separation of powers is one of the bedrocks of our democracy, the New Mexico Constitution expressly forbids an individual from serving in more than one branch of government," he explains to Yahoo.

"As Baldwin argues, allowing a sitting legislator to also act as a prosecutor, essentially enforcing the very laws which she passed, would be an unconstitutional violation of this separation of powers," Huff continues. "Thus, while this is an issue that has not previously been addressed by a New Mexico court, other states have found a constitutional violation under similar circumstances, and I would expect the Court to side with Baldwin on this issue."

Baldwin is charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter. He faces up to five years behind bars if he's found guilty of the most serious offense.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-rust-prosecutor-dismissed-republican-lawmaker-220403964.html

jamesnmlaw 02-08-2023 06:54 AM

Bread and circuses. We'll be back after this message from our sponsors.

Crowbob 02-11-2023 06:17 AM

I think it hilaria(ous) that AB is now citing the Constitution in his defense. He says the imposition of the ‘gun enhancement’ provision of the state law under which he is being charged is unconstitutional.

That’s rich beyond words. However, he does have a point. The ‘enhancement’ provision was not signed into law until after he killed somebody with a gun.

flatbutt 02-11-2023 06:23 AM

Can you imagine what a couple of days in gen pop would be like for him?

"Hey! Hollywood! Why don't you come on by my cell and act like my beotch?"

Crowbob 02-11-2023 06:39 AM

That could be, flatty. However AB while in genpop, after killing somebody and proclaiming he was railroaded, would fit right in.

‘Yeah, I hear ya, bro! Nobody told me the gun was loaded when I shot the sheriff, either.’

Hugh R 02-11-2023 04:12 PM

I’ve been named as an Expert Witness.

astrochex 02-11-2023 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 11920630)
I’ve been named as an Expert Witness.

What are “they” asking you to testify about?

Arizona_928 02-11-2023 05:51 PM

I hope they don't be coming on here and using your words against you.


Just like the Johnny depp trial with the trailer park owner accused of being in a depp fandom...

Blood sucking cretins.

Arizona_928 02-11-2023 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrochex (Post 11920634)
What are “they” asking you to testify about?

Where he was on the day of the filming. :D

Hugh R 02-11-2023 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrochex (Post 11920634)
What are “they” asking you to testify about?

My opinion

Henry Schmidt 02-11-2023 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 11920684)
My opinion

What's that old saying?
Opinions are like ass-holes....everyone has one and they all stink.

Baz 02-11-2023 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 11920630)
I’ve been named as an Expert Witness.

Hey that's pretty cool, Hugh....quite the distinction!

RNajarian 02-11-2023 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 11920630)
I’ve been named as an Expert Witness.

Wear a Pelican Parts Lapel pin when you are on the stand. Think of the publicity if they televise the case.

Congrats! Quite a distinction indeed!

Tobra 02-13-2023 03:43 PM

^this is genius^

Do you guys know what Hugh did for a living, before becoming a kept man? This is sort of his wheelhouse.

craigster59 04-20-2023 12:14 PM

Charges dropped against Alec Baldwin in manslaughter case....

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-charges-against-alec-baldwin-dropped-in-fatal-shooting-death-of-halyna-hutchins?utm_campaign=64483

Arizona_928 04-20-2023 12:27 PM

No one is above the law

Tobra 04-20-2023 12:36 PM

almost no one
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesnmlaw (Post 11900881)
Reminder to all: if handed a weapon it is your responsibility as to what happens with the weapon while it is in your possession. That responsibility cannot be delegated. That responsibility cannot be relieved asserting the person handing you the weapon said the weapon had no live rounds.

unless it happens on a hollywood set

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11905361)
Unless it helps explain how a live round got onto the set.

There is no good explanation for that

javadog 04-20-2023 01:59 PM

More details:

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/04/20/breaking-charges-against-alec-baldwin-to-be-dismissed-due-to-startling-new-info-n734207

sc_rufctr 04-20-2023 11:04 PM

So Baldwin accidentally kills someone and then.... NOTHING!

Hey, maybe Bragg will go after him? :rolleyes:

302340 05-09-2023 09:58 AM

https://apnews.com/article/alec-baldwin-rust-movie-medic-lawsuit-03e7ae14c908c7a4a6342d85c8d0db4e

"SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — A New Mexico judge has approved a $1.15 million settlement between a medic who worked on the “Rust” film set and one of several defendants she accused of negligence in the fatal 2021 shooting of a cinematographer by Alec Baldwin during a rehearsal.

Court records show the partial settlement between Cherlyn Schaefer and prop master Sarah Zachry was approved during a hearing Monday. Schaefer told the judge there’s not a day that goes by when she doesn’t think about what happened, the Santa Fe New Mexican reported.

In her civil complaint, Schaefer said she fought desperately in a failed attempt to save the life of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. She said the shock, trauma and emotional distress that followed has made it impossible for her to continue working in her field. ..."


Lee


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