Rust armorer found guilty

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

At first Baldwins public comments seemed unwise to me. Why is he talking about this? What good could that do?
- But it now looks like there's a coordinated effort to protect Baldwin.

Considering what we've all seen over the last few years, that shouldn't surprise anyone here.

And he's not going to be arrested or formally charged. If that was going to happen it would've happened by now.

Not necessarily would Baldwin have been arrested or even charged by now. So far, there isn’t evidence of a criminal charge (outside of criminal negligence) nor does Baldwin appear to be a flight risk.

I’ll bet Baldwin is speaking out against legal advice. We know Hollywood is populated mostly by anti 2A zealots sequestered from society and obsessed with surrounding themselves with like-minded phonies in fantasy-land.

It seems to me that Baldwin is and always has viewed himself outside the norms of societal rules. He probably thinks the court of public opinion has more authority than actual courts do and that the public opinion in which he exists is the only one.

It will be interesting, if this goes to a jury trial, will the jury be truly a jury of his peers, i.e., abuncha Hollywood types.

[dafischer]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

It will be interesting, if this goes to a jury trial, will the jury be truly a jury of his peers, i.e., abuncha Hollywood types.

If so, I've never seen a collection of 12 sphincters render a valid opinion.

[javadog]

https://lawofselfdefense.com/alec-baldwin-interview-only-reinforces-hutchins-death-as-involuntary-manslaughter/

[T77911S]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

At first Baldwins public comments seemed unwise to me. Why is he talking about this? What good could that do?
- But it now looks like there's a coordinated effort to protect Baldwin.

Considering what we've all seen over the last few years, that shouldn't surprise anyone here.

And he's not going to be arrested or formally charged. If that was going to happen it would've happened by now.

of course they want to protect AB.
look how stephie set up the defense of it was not a "cheap production that was cutting corners" in the beginning of the "interview"

[javadog]

Andrew Branca is going to write an article today exploring the theory that the interview was a ploy to take a possible murder charge off the table. Might be worth a read to see what he has to say.

He still thinks involuntary manslaughter is a slam dunk, as do I. That is, if the prosecutor has a political will to go forward with it.

[john70t]

Layers of legal defense:

1). It was entirely the armorer's fault. The individual actor had no voluntary control over the real weapon used while in his possession. He wasn't allowed to even check if it was loaded. Hollywood laws supercede local, state, and federal laws.

2). The safety conditions were actually created by the union workers who had walked off the job in protest earlier that day. That includes the job of the armorer whom he personally selected, hired, and supervised as the Producer.

3). The weapon accidentally discharged itself. (even though internet rumor sez he shouted in anger at the DP just before firing in her direction) He never realized the weapon had fired in his hands until told by police an hour later. He thought she just fainted.

[craigster59]

Here's an interview my friend Dutch Merrick did on CNN. He explains in more detail the "custody" of the gun on a film set. Hopefully it gives a little more insight....

[Crowbob]

The only insight I gained from this BS is that these three people are doing everything they can to absolve Baldwin of any responsibility for killing someone.

Baldwin actually says movie-making people should not be careleess or reckless with...wait for it...money!

With respect Craig, even if the Armorer was lax in her duty, Baldwin accepted a firearm from someone other than the armorer on set, which even your friend made clear should never happen.

[T77911S]

he doesn't feel any guilt but he is concerned about his reputation and story to do this interview.
this was the best acting of his life.

what a dirt bag.

[livi]

IMO Mr Baldwin always came out like a big bullying turd.

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

With respect Craig, even if the Armorer was lax in her duty, Baldwin accepted a firearm from someone other than the armorer on set, which even your friend made clear should never happen.

Which I made clear in the thread over on OT...

Originally Posted by craigster59

He's responsible as far as being a producer and indirectly responsible for allowing live rounds on set and hiring inexperienced people. So many safety protocols were violated on that set and he, with his experience as an actor, should have known not to accept a weapon handed to him by someone other than the Armorer without checking it.

[Crowbob]

So why does it sound like your friend is making excuses for Baldwin? Truth is, I don't think he even believes what he's saying. If the armoreer wasn't even in the room (where the gun was) I would think that would compel Bldwin to be even more cautious.

I think Alec is toast. I think Alec knows he's toast and is priming to claim victim status. Or something even weirder. It doesn't seem right for Baldwin to have gone all public with interviews and such. There seems to me to be something we don't know yet that Baldwin knows is gonna come out. Like maybe he pressured people to hustle this scene because of time.

[Reiver]

His friend is in the business and will not make a definitive call because he is in the business and wants to stay employed.

Armorer not on the set.... folks handling firearms... Baldwin handed a firearm on set not from the armorer and fails to check it himself.

Yes, there is culpability there...for Baldwin as he was the producer / the actor / the shooter with no armorer on set.

[GH85Carrera]

In all the years I have owned pistols, I have never had one just go off by itself. They always, 100% of the time require the trigger to be pulled with a round in the chamber. Even unloaded they don't cycle by themselves.

Of course the guns used on TV shows and movies all rattle like they are a bag of parts when the actors move them around. Maybe it is just the rattly Hollywood guns that fire themselves from movement alone.

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

In all the years I have owned pistols, I have never had one just go off by itself. They always, 100% of the time require the trigger to be pulled with a round in the chamber. Even unloaded they don't cycle by themselves.

Of course the guns used on TV shows and movies all rattle like they are a bag of parts when the actors move them around. Maybe it is just the rattly Hollywood guns that fire themselves from movement alone.

...in this case after one has to manually cock the hammer, and, if it had been defective would they not have noted that in prior scenes?

In a Colt or Colt reproduction the trigger itself engages the Hammer, there is no sear or interrupting device.

The trigger has an extension that locks into a notch on the Hammer base... I have seen them touchy but they still needed a squeeze.
The only way that could happen is if the trigger spring (flat spring) had broken off. They have the pistol so it will be known if it was in good repair.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Here's an interview my friend Dutch Merrick did on CNN. He explains in more detail the "custody" of the gun on a film set. Hopefully it gives a little more insight....

Thanks, Craig - I found your friend to be very informative especially with his emphasis on the relationship between Armorer and actor being a kind of sacred thing.

However it is explained why the Armorer was not present is where I believe criminal charges will be filed.

[Hugh R]

[QUOTE=craigster59;11538877]Here's an interview my friend Dutch Merrick did on CNN. He explains in more detail the "custody" of the gun on a film set. Hopefully it gives a little more insight....


I think I worked with Dutch on a show once. Lots of guns and he had an assistance to help monitor. A with a stuntman with a mean looking semi- auto ran quick time to the head, like he was in need of a toilet NOW, Dutch chased him down and took the gun from him. You can’t leave the set with a gun.

[Reiver]

The DA in the NM area responsible said she has not decided upon charges as yet... no one is in the clear.

[Por_sha911]

Based on Baldwin's claim, can you imagine how many people should have died in these pictures?




All those guns just waiting to go off without anyone pulling the triggers! Baldwin is claiming that guns kill people all by themselves!

[T77911S]

sad thing is he has convinced a large number of people (idiots) that he did nothing wrong.

and the crying. OMB that was pathetic. he even cried about his years of acting.