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70SATMan 03-26-2024 06:00 PM

In a handbasket!

craigster59 03-26-2024 07:39 PM

Well, it's not every day someone is named Baltimore's FBI Field Supervisor and that night a cargo ship takes down a major bridge shutting down the ports. What are the odds?

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/william-j-delbagno-named-special-agent-in-charge-of-the-baltimore-field-office

Baz 03-26-2024 08:19 PM

My recommendation is to click on the "settings" icon (looks like a little sprocket) and adjust the playback speed to 2X......

<iframe width="776" height="409" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CwgOHpZlxvc" title="NTSB B-Roll - Aerial Imagery of Francis Scott Key Bridge and Cargo Ship Dali" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Heel n Toe 03-26-2024 10:36 PM

Quote:

... the lights on the bridge weren't (for the most part) moving. It was a construction zone.
Dunno if this has been reported here, but tonight on the news they said there was some kind of alert sent out by the ship that let the police know the ship had lost control.

It gave enough time for them to get in position to prevent any more vehicles from coming onto the bridge... and there was enough time for those on the bridge to get off. Supposedly, the work crew were the only ones left when it went down.

This video shows a good many vehicles were crossing right up until a very short time before the impact. Start watching about 56 seconds in... it's sped up, but you get the idea...

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/moVzZrNK2go" title="Video shows moments before cargo ship strikes Baltimore Key Bridge" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

KFC911 03-27-2024 01:51 AM

[QUOTE=LEAKYSEALS951;12220700]Since when did PPOT become a news source as good as other corporate news product?
:)

Yep ... any breaking news will likely be posted here before I see it on the "news"!

Unfortunately, I also read a bunch of political BS here too ... and I just don't watch "some" news at all :(.

Damn Paul .... give it a rest or take it where it belongs ...

The Pool And Recreation Forum ;).....

DaveE 03-27-2024 02:23 AM

[QUOTE=KC911;12220889]
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Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951 (Post 12220700)
Since when did PPOT become a news source as good as other corporate news product?
:)

Yep ... any breaking news will likely be posted here before I see it on the "news"!

Unfortunately, I also read a bunch of political BS here too ... and I just don't watch "some" news at all :(.

Damn Paul .... give it a rest or take it where it belongs ...

The Pool And Recreation Forum ;).....

Should have been called what it is, The Conspiracy Theory Forum.

greglepore 03-27-2024 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 12220769)
I also was wondering why the bridge pylons didn't have any protection around them especially being a busy port. [emoji53]

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Cause they're useless against something the size of a ship. Those barriers around the power poles are there to protect against errant pleasure craft and nefarious actors. If something half the size of the Dali hit one, it'd wipe it out instantly. OTOH, the bridge pylons easily survive a pleasure craft strike.
Been in and out of their many times under sail, have seen them up close.

And yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to rule out bad actors. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but the timing of this days on after a terror attack in RU that Putin blames on us is somewhat intriguing.

BK911 03-27-2024 03:56 AM

I dont know man, it just smells fishy.
Lost power right at the perfect time to ram the bridge.
Slightly off course, so power restored, engines on, and turned slightly to better align with bridge.
Power off again.
Hit the bridge with the exact tool needed (big heavy cargo ship), at exactly the right angle, speed and location to completely destroy the bridge.
Too many lightning bolts hitting at the exact place and time needed for this to happen by chance.
Not saying it was, just saying.

stevej37 03-27-2024 04:00 AM

It wasn't the same ship (Evergreen) that couldn't manage the Suez Canal....but maybe the same captain.

Sooner or later 03-27-2024 04:19 AM

Multiple sources are saying the same thing. Harbor pilots were operating the ship at the time of the wreck.

"The owners of Singapore-flagged container ship “Dali”, which was involved in the incident, said the vessel collided with a pillar of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore while under pilotage with two pilots on board. All crew members, including"

rfuerst911sc 03-27-2024 04:36 AM

^^^ Yep that's what this article says .

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/baltimore-bridge-collapse-port-pilots-onboard-were-us-locals-says-firm-that-manages-stricken-ship

greglepore 03-27-2024 05:20 AM

It makes no difference who is operating the ship if the powerplant fails at low speed. No rudder steerage below a specific minimum speed, you steer with prop differential or tugs below that design speed. So if the powerplant is disabled below say 5 knots or whatever, you're adrift. And at even 3-4 knots a container ship goes a LONG way with just residual drift and packs a lot of energy if it hits something.

hcoles 03-27-2024 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BK911 (Post 12220915)
I dont know man, it just smells fishy.
Lost power right at the perfect time to ram the bridge.
Slightly off course, so power restored, engines on, and turned slightly to better align with bridge.
Power off again.
Hit the bridge with the exact tool needed (big heavy cargo ship), at exactly the right angle, speed and location to completely destroy the bridge.
Too many lightning bolts hitting at the exact place and time needed for this to happen by chance.
Not saying it was, just saying.

Re. what are the odds. If the power out happens 5-10 before or after the ship doesn't hit the bridge. The ship operates for years and an unexpected failure happens at just the right time for a disaster. I think there is a law that covers this - starts with "M".

Sooner or later 03-27-2024 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 12220962)
It makes no difference who is operating the ship if the powerplant fails at low speed. No rudder steerage below a specific minimum speed, you steer with prop differential or tugs below that design speed. So if the powerplant is disabled below say 5 knots or whatever, you're adrift. And at even 3-4 knots a container ship goes a LONG way with just residual drift and packs a lot of energy if it hits something.

I made the pilot response to counter that it was "maybe the same captain ".

They had power outages for a currently unknown reason. The ships pilots/crew attempted to minimize damage by taking several evasive actions. They knew that serious trouble was most likely unstoppable so they called in the warning. Law enforcement acted quickly and stopped traffic which minimized the number of deaths.

Jolly Amaranto 03-27-2024 05:32 AM

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Sooner or later 03-27-2024 05:51 AM

Thank you, Jolly.

A930Rocket 03-27-2024 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 12220926)
Multiple sources are saying the same thing. Harbor pilots were operating the ship at the time of the wreck.

Harbor pilots always guide the vessels in and out of port. That said, I think the captain of the ship still has responsibility over it.

We have several ports in the Charleston area and I cross two or three bridges daily to get to my destinations. Made me think twice today.

Tim L 03-27-2024 07:45 AM

"Prop walk" caused the ship to turn into the bridge support.

KRLocke 03-27-2024 08:02 AM

I've been over this bridge hundreds of times to see my dad. Tragic day for everyone. And hard to believe these ships don't have redundant power systems.

911 Rod 03-27-2024 08:23 AM

Apparently the ship did not lose power. The lights flickered because at that point they went full reverse and drained all the power to the electrical system. Like how your lights flicker when the microwave turns on.

I'm surprised the ship stopped at the pillar and didn't just keep going. This tells me that bollards would could stop a ship.


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