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Opinion: The long overdue death of the stick shift car
To stir the pot...
Turning to CNN for automotive journalism is like heading over to Consumer Reports for automotive buying advice to us sporty car guys. This author is no Peter Egan, that's for sure. https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-male-drivers-just-t-083635386.html Quote:
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Funny, I just finished reading that not 5 minutes ago and here it is.
I can't wait to see how the 'realistic-feeling fake manual transmission' on that Toyota is received. I taught both my kids to drive in stick shift cars before they were allowed into an automatic.
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I read the article this afternoon and left a comment two hours ago under the name 'Steve'
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No problem dont buy a new car if its not what you want.
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Ugh, no Peter Egan or Paul Frere for sure. I struggled to read and eventually threw in the towel even after resorting to scanning.
I think he may have some points if my sleepy brain remember them correctly. Auto trans cars these days are light years better than most of the auto trans cars from years past. I've driven cars that had appropriately named "slush box" transmissions and they were horrible to drive. I even had a car that had a turbo 350 with a shift kit, and I far preferred the Muncie 4spd to the auto in the same car. I've also driven some cars that had good torque-converter auto trans and have even driven one PDK trans equipped car (2015-16ish). Most modern auto transmissions are pretty darn good for an auto trans, and most of the time an auto trans is fine in most cars. I think I'd be happy to drive a manual trans in anything, but my wife's outback doesn't need a manual. I love the manual in my Boxster. I think a PDK would be OK, better than a regular auto, but probably not as engaging as my 6spd. For most folks, a huge majority of them, an auto trans is probably good for the person and the car. Most folks are ham fisted and probably end up eating their clutch, lugging their motor, putting undue stress on their drivetrain, etc.... My wife thinks that she is better with a manual trans, because it forces here to be more "present" in the driving. With an auto, she's more free to start thinking about other stuff. Our son is the same.
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Wow, they are really pushing electric cars harder than I thought they were. That little blurb is all ate up with ignorant.
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I taught our son to drive a manual. I'd have liked to taught the daughter, but she's always owned autos, and when she was learning, that wasn't what we had. She has driven manuals, and says she can manage, but since she's never had one as a daily, she would need practice to be good at it.
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I haven't owned an auto tranny for at least 30 years now.
It's a natural feeling to 'go thru the gears'. When I get in an auto tranny, I find myself trying to push the clutch in when stopping.
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I'm also not convinced about the fantasmic environmental savings he touts auto boxes (and electric cars) to hold. While modern auto boxes get as good (or sometimes even better fuel mileage) than manual offerings on paper, there's the complete lack of consideration for human nature and personal driving habits that makes a much bigger determination on actual fuel mileage. Remember that Top Gear where the M3 got better gas mileage around the test track than the Prius? And the supposed planet-saving greenness of electric cars over their ICE counterparts is whole 'nother debate. And if for nothing else, the manual transmission in my cars serves as my automotive fidget spinner. It keeps me entertained not only on curvy roads, but also in the daily slog through rush hour traffic. It's better than texting or watching a streamed TV show while driving, right?
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Problem is that eventually all new cars will "not what you want".
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My daily driver in HS was a V-8 car with a 4spd. When I went to my Jr prom, we drove my girlfriends Nissan Pulsar with an auto. At one point, I wanted to go faster (not really possible in the Pulsar) so I "pushed the clutch in" to downshift, except that pushing the clutch in on her little auto car meant that I tried to mash the brake pedal to the floor. Fortunately, my teenage reflexes were adequate to immediately let up. It was still the ultimate brake check, and quite the surprise for both of us.
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A fake transmission and exhaust noise through the speakers, you know something is really wrong when you hear that.
Never have driven a dual clutch paddle shifter but I have to think that an auto trans and a PDK are as different as a sail boat vs a motor yacht. |
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The Porsche PDK is truly amazing. It is physic and can shift in milliseconds. I drove a 911 GTS on track and it would down shift as I cam into corners and it knew what gear to be in. Totally a point and shoot car. The computers make it a brainless thing for the driver. Just steer and use the gas or brakes.
I still prefer my old slow pure analog 85 911 as it is totally me driving it.
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Just traded in a 2021 GTI manual for a Mini JCW with auto (8 speed Aisin). Could not stand the rev hang in the GTI. Totally awful. That’s what happens when you buy a car without test driving it. Love my auto. There are 6 different modes I can set my auto to including full manual with no auto upshift. After 36 years of daily driving manuals, I have no interest in modern manual cars.
My old 911 with my perfectly setup 915 is a joy to use and likely my last manual.
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Both of my kids learned to drive on a manual fox body 5.0 Mustang. My Daughter has a newer Toyota Corolla with a 6 speed manual in it, she loves it.
So there are still some youngsters learning. |
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In 2017 or 2018, I was out cutting hay in our north 1/4. I noticed our Baja bug flying up the road, far too fast to be in 1st gear, piloted by my then 7 or 8 year old son. He was coming to get me for lunch. I’ll be damned if he didn’t teach himself how to drive stick. And he was smooth.
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Article written by Beta male, for Beta male. CNN isn't worth anything not even news.
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I got a smokin' deal on my 2020 Taco because it is a manual. No one else wanted it...yay for me.
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