Are Porsche's UNION made?

Embs · Embs's Garage

Gosh I would hope not, otherwise some of the UNION haters should turn in their keys...to me!

Neilk · 06-10-2003, 04:37 PM

Were talking about Germany here, which means yes.

I remember when IG Metal went on strike, the auto workers at BMW and Mercedes also went on strike. I would guess Porsche workers are members of the same union.

Embs · Embs's Garage

Oh Professor Schiller.....

Time for you to head to the homeland so you can tell the craftsmen who make the beloved 911 that they must de-unionize themselves...Buh Bye

Jack Olsen · 06-10-2003, 05:41 PM

Yes, the IG Metal strike involved Porsche as well as a number of other automakers.

Chas White · 06-10-2003, 06:13 PM

Um, I think he said unions were ruining America. Pinko commie metal-miesters in Europe might be okay. I understand they even have health benifits there, so what can you expect?
C.W.

mwbaum · mwbaum's Garage

Yeah we dont want those blue collar workers to have any rights or benefits or health care.....screw em! J Paul Getty and Rockefeller had the right idea! uh huh....

Axis11 · 06-10-2003, 07:25 PM

I always thought this was an interesting read ....
how many people know about porsche quailty and efficency
being improved by japanese processes ....
take from it what you will but to assemble a vehicle and then
fix what was wrong, or to get a failure rate or incorrect
part in the amount that porsche was using until early nineties ...
those numbers would kill an american auto company.
hand built baby!

Clicky!

- Tim
66 Coupe

Milu · 06-10-2003, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Axis11
I always thought this was an interesting read ....
how many people know about porsche quailty and efficency
being improved by japanese processes ....
Clicky!

- Tim
66 Coupe

Well that explains the 996.

banjomike · banjomike's Garage

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Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
Would these be the same benefits that are currently bankrupting the steel industry?

-Wayne

pretty far OT here but, cheap imports because foreign workers have to work for a pittance just to survive are the primary cause that the US steel industry is on the ropes. The fact that huge multinational corporations can take advantage and play foreign workers against us, does not justify racing to the bottom by undermining worker rights and benefits here at home. I drive a Union Made Car and I am damn proud of it. I enjoy my copius free time because of the 40 hour work week. I have medical benefits and relatively strong laws that keep me safe at work. I don't have to shop at the company store, and when I was in a union I had a whole organization looking out for my interests (just like the shareholders had a whole organization looking out for thiers [managment]) We worked a full days work for a full days pay, and that job allowed me to buy my first Porsche. Vroooooom, Union Yes!

rant off

Jack Olsen · 06-10-2003, 09:32 PM

To put it simply, I wouldn't have a Porsche (or a house, or medical insurance, or many other things) if it weren't for my union, and a lot of brave union members who put their jobs and their livelihoods on the line long before I was even born.

This is OT, however.

speeder · speeder's Garage

I bought my Porsche, and all of the parts for it from Pelican and elsewhere, from $$ earned in my union job. Coming off of a nasty strike in 2000, where management attempted to strip us of almost all of our hard fought and won benefits, I went to work under our new contract and earned the 911.

In 2002, I had spinal surgery paid for by my union health insurance, fortunately I was able to get the best care available in the very affluent city that I live in, but why should anyone on earth not have the same care available? I guess some think that such a level of healthcare should be reserved for CEOs and their families, the "truly deserving".

911pcars · 07:43 PM

Unions have and have had their place in America's workplace. Corporations are in business to make money (no surprise here) and if left to their own devices, would prefer to deregulate, scrap or dilute environmental, labor and safety regulations and pay minimum wage.

That being said, unions can also become too powerful which may be a long-term detriment to workers. The film industry may be isolated in this respect but I think not. Jack probably has first hand knowledge here. For example, production costs have forced TV and motion picture production from "Hollywood" to other domestic locales such as Mexico, Canada :-) and other parts of the world. Besides the movie trades, peripheral industries (post production, lighting, rental, etc. in CA are hurting because of this. Not to pick on any specific trade group, but what do union truckers make on a movie set? What's the average salary of a garbage collector? Not that those guys don't deserve it, but at a certain point, it's always better to have a job than to stand in the unemployment lines because the jobs went elsewhere. Another example. The UAW is so powerful, manufacturers build plants in non-union locations to avoid unyielding union requirements.

There are horror stories from both sides. I think it would help the state of our economy/society if both relented a bit. Notice what car companies are kicking USA ass? Fortunately, many foreign companies are now based here so whatever labor force GM loses due to lost market share is picked up by a foreign subsidiary based in the US, but with non-union workers (but only partially and not neccesarily in Flint, MI). And this - While Lebron James celebrates his 80 mil Nike shoe contract, some 8 year old kid in Sri Lanka or Thailand is celebrating his 80 cents/day salary making $100 Nike shoes (credit for that line goes to a newspaper journalist whose name escapes me).

Geez, I have rambled on. My apologies. Long live corpor-unions.
Sherwood

island911 · 06-10-2003, 11:25 PM

Yep, Unions are like any other entity that collects money for a service. It can use the collection wisely, or corruptly.

Milu · 06-11-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by 911pcars
- While Lebron James celebrates his 80 mil Nike shoe contract, some 8 year old kid in Sri Lanka or Thailand is celebrating his 80 cents/day salary making $100 Nike shoes (credit for that line goes to a newspaper journalist whose name escapes me).

But would the kid be eating if he wasn't earning his 80 cents a day?

911pcars · 06-11-2003, 11:01 AM

"But would the kid be eating if he wasn't earning his 80 cents a day?"

Probably not. But if the kid makes a couple of bucks instead, he could afford to buy some shoes and something to eat.

BlueSkyJaunte · 06-11-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by 911pcars
"But would the kid be eating if he wasn't earning his 80 cents a day?"

Probably not. But if the kid makes a couple of bucks instead, he could afford to buy some shoes and something to eat.

Even better would be if the kid's parents made enough money so that he didn't have to pay for his own food at 8 years old.

And maybe even get to go to school (fancy that).

I think a large share (if not all) of the problems in this country are caused by corporations lining the pocket(s) of our public servants, whose constituents are too stupid to realize that's what's happening and vote them into office anyway.

Until this changes, our government will continue to prioritize the rights of corporations over the rights of the people.

I had high hopes for McCain, but he's out of the picture now.

911pcars · 06-11-2003, 12:30 PM

blue,
I couldn't agree more.

In addition, people have poor memory of past history, even recent history, as it oftentimes forsees the future.

Sherwood

BGCarrera32 · 06-11-2003, 12:31 PM

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...but why should anyone on earth not have the same care available? I guess some think that such a level of healthcare should be reserved for CEOs and their families, the "truly deserving".

Or perhaps, why should anyone on earth not have the same Porsche 911 that you do?

Its the entitlement mentality here that boggles me. Many people work and work hard for what they earn, so why should the next guy who hasn't put in the time, doesn't have the education, doesn't have the experience, hasn't taken the RISKS, hasn't made the effort, receive the same quality/pay/life experiences that I do? What I don't understand about the union mentality is this: why would I want to work in a collective group where my earning and benefit potentital is going to be the same for me and everyone else regardless of the job I do, its quality, its timeliness, etc? Sure, you may make a few dollars or cents in many cases one way or another between you and the next guy...but I've taken the risks to seek the better opportunity at my young age, and have earned my 911...and I didn't need a union's help to do it. If I had a beef with my employer, manager, didn't like the work I was doing, whatever, I moved on and took the risk to improve my situation. And for that, putting my livelihood in the balance in search of a better opportunity (my choice I understand), I don't believe others have the right to all the same goods and services that I do.

911pcars · 06-11-2003, 12:41 PM

Remember. Without the collective power of a group demanding "whatever" is fairly earned, an individual is almost powerless to institute any change. Me versus a corporation is not very good odds. For example, anyone can simply walk away from a job because it's too dangerous, but without someone leaning on the next company and the next company, you and others could be at risk on the very next job site with little recourse. Call them unions or just class actions; they work until the balance of power shifts too far over.

Sherwood

BlueSkyJaunte · 06-11-2003, 01:37 PM

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about this whole thing. On the one hand, my aunt has to work on the assembly line next to a guy who threatened her with physical harm more than once. He still has his job because of the union. On the other hand, without Jack's union we wouldn't get to look at cool pictures of BB2.

Perhaps we simply need the public servants to write better labor legislation and stop pandering to their corporate sugar-daddies. Then we won't need unions, will we?