A Costly recall for Ford?

[stevej37]

Could be. Only fix is to install a new engine....ouch!


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-recalls-over-90k-vehicles-152010134.html




.

[Arizona_928]

Our secretary has a Lincoln Nautilus, just a tad over 70k and this failure. Was told by Ford to pound sand on the warranty and to pay out for a new engine...

[1990C4S]

Dealers will install a new engine in recalled vehicles that do not pass an engine cycle test for free. When getting their vehicles fixed, impacted customers will have access to Ford's pick-up, delivery and rental services, according to the company.

This cost is a drop in the bucket compared to EV spending...and replanning...and more spending.

[gsxrken]

"Dealers will install a new engine in recalled vehicles that do not pass an engine cycle test for free."

I wonder what this test entails. An intake valve is fine until it isn't... not sure what anyone can do to say it's "about to fail".

I'd hope for Ford's sake that they just replace the handful of ones that have failed, and move on. Cover these sorts of failures up to 10 years / 100k for good measure.

[Arizona_928]

100k miles is the interval they want them to fail at. Not 60k or 70k mi.

[URY914]

I have a '21 F150 but not that engine....thank you very much.

[911boost]

I saw a story that said the Toyota engine recall was going to cost the company a billion. Ouch.

I do not see Ford doing the right thing like Toyota did.

[stevej37]

The last Ford Ranger I owned was a 3.0 V6.
At about 100K miles, it started missing on hot starts. I found a Ford TSB that said the valve seats were defective and the only fix was to buy two new cyl. heads.
These were the exhaust valves....

Ford would not do anything...so I sold it at a very low price.

[A930Rocket]

Well, that’s nice of Ford, to think about reimbursing people who have paid for themselves.

"Owners who have paid to have these repairs completed at their own expense may be eligible for reimbursement, in accordance with the recall reimbursement plan on file with the NHTSA," Ford said.

[Reg]

Originally Posted by stevej37

The last Ford Ranger I owned was a 3.0 V6.
At about 100K miles, it started missing on hot starts. I found a Ford TSB that said the valve seats were defective and the only fix was to buy two new cyl. heads.
These were the exhaust valves....

Ford would not do anything...so I sold it at a very low price.

Hope u didn’t buy another ford.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by Reg

Hope u didn’t buy another ford.

Nope....bought two Honda's since. The Fit had 260K miles with no problems when I sold it and bought the Civic SI two years ago.
40K on the Civic so far and it's been a very fun car.

[Tobra]

I bought a Ford, once.

[David]

I have a 2023 Tundra and have received the recall letter stating I will be receiving a new engine

[flatbutt]

Can't the intake valves be replaced? Why a new engine?

[hcoles]

Originally Posted by David

I have a 2023 Tundra and have received the recall letter stating I will be receiving a new engine

Good. I haven't seen a statement indicating what the root cause was. For example: The engine block cleaning process was supposed to run 35 seconds but someone set it to 25 seconds.

[Tobra]

Intake valves, or even the heads would be cheaper for tjem, seems like

[William930t]

In these cases, I want to know real cause (source). Ford didn't make the defective intake valve, a supplier did. The supplier bought the raw materials and made it to Ford specifications. However, the Ford engineers created the specs that the suppliers followed. Ford then did real world testing before going into production. It bugs me when this type of issue is not caught early.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by William930t

The supplier bought the raw materials and made it to Ford specifications. However, the Ford engineers created the specs that the suppliers followed. Ford then did real world testing before going into production.

We have no idea if the supplier made it to spec, and we have no idea if only a small percentage were not in spec. It is entirely possible the valve manufacturer was sold some non-spec material that was not caught. It is possible there is a design flaw. We know nothing about the cause, only the result.

Just like the IMS, pre-testing, simulation, dyno-testing, etc., cannot duplicate millions of real miles.

[David]

I went to school with a girl who interned at Ford. She told me a story about a part they were testing. I forget what it was but I think it was electronic because she told me how they ran it through so many million cycles and thought they were good to go. She told them it would do the same number of cycles on the car in a few minutes. She had several other "genius" engineer stories from other internships.

[Targa68]

No more Fords for me